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con	Posted - 1/10/2013 11:32:03 AM \| show profile \| flag this post grateful deadline isn't as smart as she tells us she is? * california leads the nation in mass shootings. * "How odd that it's not on record. I guess "they've" been keeping them a secret for the 23 years I've lived here." Mass shootings in the United States, 1976 to 2010 At least 2,956 people have been killed in 646 mass shootings over a 35-year-period, including 41 victims in Wisconsin. FBI homicide data shows that there is no upward trend in the number of mass shootings or victims during that time. The FBI defines an incident as mass murder if a shooter kills four or more people in a single incident (not including the shooter), and typically in a single location. http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/165757356.html *Source Data compiled from the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting program by James Alan Fox, criminology professor at Northeastern University; U.S. Census Bureau; Journal Sentinel research By Emily Yount and Ben Poston, Journal Sentinel also, grateful deadline, note the word "mass'. grateful deadline. in need of the "literacy fairy"? grateful deadline is a shining example of the sad state of journalism these days. no wonder trust in the media is at historic lows.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/10/2013 2:17:00 PM \| show profile \| flag this post con, what you cited to back up your claim had nothing to do with your claim. Drink another cup of coffee and try it again, if you must.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/10/2013 2:18:11 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Suggestion: If you look up Wisconsin and California, you will discover that they are not the same state.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/10/2013 2:32:18 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Also, if you post to me again in this thread, please don't expect me to respond to you. You seem to be so far off in your own orbit most of the time that you're not someone I rush back to read. Really, your two failed attempts in this thread to bait an argument are two too many, considering that they don't make any sense. If you would pay as much attention to your logic as you do to your insults, it would help a lot.

con	Posted - 1/10/2013 2:40:07 PM \| show profile \| flag this post california- 1976 to 2010 85 mass shootings- leads the nation 394 victims- leads the nation according to the data. (which doesn't include the 2012 mass shootings in california, which is what 4?). of course, when you living inside a liberal bubble- you tend to ignore facts and pretend taking away the rights of law abiding gun owners will reduce mass shootings and crime in general.

con	Posted - 1/10/2013 2:41:59 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "If you would pay as much attention to your logic as you do to your insults, it would help a lot." oh gosh. if there was a person who would follow their own advice.

cruiser	Posted - 1/10/2013 3:05:29 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Despite the larger population our violent crime and gun death RATES are higher than other countries with stricter gun control laws" No, in fact, it WASN'T a rate...it was someone's total (although I cannot vouch for its accuracy). The sentence is quoted below: "In a single year guns killed 17 in Finland, 35 in Australia, 39 in Britain, 60 in Spain, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada and 9,484 in the United States." If you take the time to do the math (I realize that'd be difficult for you), the US RATE (given those totals) would be 3.01 per 100,000. Using the same math the RATE for Canada is just less than 1 (one) per 100,000 and for Australia it's 0.1 per 100,000. Given that the US has ten times the population of Canada and 14 times that of Australia, we're in the same order of magnitude with Canada and just slightly greater than Australia. And given that out armed gang problem is MANY TIMES greater than either our NON-gang firearms death rate is VERY low.

mpdodgson	Posted - 1/10/2013 4:21:12 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Gee you're dumb. All that work, all that typing, all the cut and paste---all to show You can't grasp the simple concept of 'per capita'. It makes no difference if you're comparing Nome Alaska to NYC or Outter Mongolia to Chicago. Per capita is per capita. 3.01 is higher than 1. or 0.1 I'll have my dog send you an email.

cdnreprtr	Posted - 1/10/2013 4:48:19 PM \| show profile \| flag this post So even by cruiser's... .. uncited, unscientific, low-ball, best-guess figures ... adjusted for population: America has 3x the rate ... triple per capita .. 300% more firearms murders compared to other nations even if you accept the 9000 figure (which is way low according to law enforcement) .. thats is still three 9/11s each and every year. About 6500 Americans have been killed in Iraq and Afghnaistan in 10 years. So every year, guns kill 30% more people .. than all of American GWOT war dead. And that doesn't include non-homicide firearms deaths ... manslaughter, suicides, accidentals that may be as high as 25,000+ a year. And this isnt a problem? yeah.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 1/10/2013 5:53:19 PM \| show profile \| flag this post If cruzo were really a writer... he'd know that "rate" and "ratio" have the same root. And if he were really a "technology writer" he'd understand what rates were. And if he understood crime rates, he'd realize that his post just backed up my statement: 3.01 is far greater than .01. Not only are our "casual readers" laughing -- but grade school math teachers have to be laughing as well!

cruiser	Posted - 1/10/2013 6:52:09 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Small minds are satisfied with insignificant victories. Savor yours...it's tiny. Three and .9 are in the SAME order of magnitude. They are statistically within the margin for error.

mpdodgson	Posted - 1/10/2013 7:33:02 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Let's start at the beginning of this mess. "lie left wingers tell: gun control will keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Of course it does you idiot. If strongly enforced. Everyone across the globe knows that. We've given you stats from other countries that clearly show gun regulation works. Without taking away 'hunters rights' I might add. You do NOT need assault weapons, or super clips, to go hunting. Add to that the fact that most 'mass shootings' are in fact done with semi-autos, not knives, not pellet guns, not water balloons, where do you think the problem lies? We have shown that 'per capita' we, the US, have a bigger problem tan most. That's fact. You don't understand 'per capita'. Your problem you genius you. The whole Mexican thing is bullshit. Most of those guns come from American dealers lined up along the border and we all know it. To the north of the border, our Canadian friends have less gun violence, not because they have less guns per capita--but because they don't have the NRA bullshit we do, and the shoot first ask questions later philosophy we do. You know--guys like you. "Three and .9 are in the SAME order of magnitude" Well if you're a friggin gun nut they are. What kind of math do you guys use anyway? We have three times more guns than every other country out there. At what point did paranoia out-do common sense??

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/10/2013 8:20:42 PM \| show profile \| flag this post * california- 1976 to 2010 85 mass shootings- leads the nation 394 victims- leads the nation according to the data. (which doesn't include the 2012 mass shootings in california, which is what 4?). * OK, con, I'm going to ignore your insults because they're stupid and baseless, and I'm going to take the time and effort to walk you through this. 1. Cite your information source. (Throwing out numbers is unacceptable. We have to know where they came from. If they were compiled for a company or an advocacy group, we need to know this, too.) 2. Cite what sort of "facts" these are -- what constitutes "mass shooting" to your information source, whether or not the shootings were domestics, and how many of them involved which types of weapons. (This allows you to present an argument using apples against apples and oranges against oranges. Apples against oranges isn't valid for comparisons.) 3. Calculate the rate per capita. Crimes are expressed per capita -- how many per 1,000 population. 4. Give us information about when in the time span these crimes occurred in relation to California's changes in firearms laws. 5. Finally, compare California against other states on all the same grounds as Nos. 1 through 4. What we need is the numbers placed into background and context. Then you can present your point in a convincing way. Without background and context, there is no point to be made. Can you do this? Or course, you can!

con	Posted - 1/11/2013 11:20:34 AM \| show profile \| flag this post and the wheels on the bus go round and round. another example of grateful dead flying off the handle and attacking someone without first reading and understanding what was in the link posted. a nasty habit that makes grateful dead look like a rabit moonbat. have a great weekend, gd.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/11/2013 12:50:51 PM \| show profile \| flag this post So you think that step-by-step method of presenting a point was an "attack"? No wonder you post unattributed nothings as if they were information, rounding out your posts with insults. It's the best you can do and all that you want to be. That's all I need to know. You have a good weekend, too -- a good life, in fact.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/11/2013 12:52:41 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *** california- 1976 to 2010 85 mass shootings- leads the nation 394 victims- leads the nation according to the data. (which doesn't include the 2012 mass shootings in california, which is what 4?). of course, when you living inside a liberal bubble- you tend to ignore facts and pretend taking away the rights of law abiding gun owners will reduce mass shootings and crime in general." Here's your post, con. Can you point out the link and the attribution in it?

cruiser	Posted - 1/11/2013 2:16:15 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "I'm going to take the time and effort to walk you through this" ROFL! This has to be the most comical tactic employed by radical leftists in an effort to delay for as long as possible FACTS they'd rather not confront. And if they find even a MINOR discrepancy in a tangential, largely irrelevant point, they'll concentrate exclusively on that in an effort to discredit the ENTIRE issue, regardless of the veracity of the main point. Failing that, they'll try to discredit either the source of the information or the individual who posted it or both.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 1/11/2013 2:58:12 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Hardly in the same magnitude, cruzo... you've failed basic math AND reading comprehension. Not a good sign for a "technology writer."

con	Posted - 1/11/2013 3:03:53 PM \| show profile \| flag this post " largely irrelevant point" pointing out strict guns laws often times don't result in lower crime rates or mass shootings is hardly irrelevant. i could have done a better job at relaying the point, but it happens when i do to many things at once. dead, all the information you seek about mass shootings in the link. i will not respond to you anymore on this topic until you have looked at the link. if you need help copying and pasting a link in your web browser or using a interactive map, ask for help. wasn't it twain who said “never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference” i should take his advice.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/11/2013 5:26:00 PM \| show profile \| flag this post * " largely irrelevant point" pointing out strict guns laws often times don't result in lower crime rates or mass shootings is hardly irrelevant. * Oh, my. Now you're taking on cruiser? I thought you worshiped everything he writes in this forum. Ooooh! Fight, fight!

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 1/11/2013 5:33:10 PM \| show profile \| flag this post * dead, all the information you seek about mass shootings in the link. i will not respond to you anymore on this topic until you have looked at the link. * HA! THERE IS NO LINK IN YOUR POST!!!!! But that's OK about not responding -- what you say has the consistency of cotton candy anyway. Now get back to tickling yourself or any of the other important things you do that keep you from posting links, sources, background, context and logical comparisons. It must be very difficult for you to deal with people who make such heavy demands.

cruiser	Posted - 1/11/2013 7:48:54 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Hardly in the same magnitude, cruzo" You CLEARLY don't understand order of magnitude. Leave the math to those of us who have IQs higher than room temperature.

cruster	Posted - 1/11/2013 9:45:53 PM \| show profile \| flag this post IQs higher than room temperature. We'll need them for the coming global cooling.

mpdodgson	Posted - 1/11/2013 11:22:30 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Think we're done here. con (as in 'con'spiracy) is convinced the Mexican drug cartels are given their guns by the US Government, and our resident expert-in-everything cruise doesn't understand what 'per capita' means. All in all another pointless debate with two idiots that don't have one working brain cell between them. Moving on..

cruiser	Posted - 1/12/2013 11:34:58 AM \| show profile \| flag this post "Mexican drug cartels are given their guns by the US Government" IN FACT, it's reported that by June of 2010...under the noses of BATFE and its Operation Fast & Furious...more than 1600 guns were acquired by straw purchasers, most of which "walked" to Mexico. 178 of those have been found at Mexican crime scenes and 130 in the US. And there can be no question that "walked" guns were responsible for the deaths of US Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and ICE agent Jaime Zapata. And a "walked" gun was found at the scene of the murder of a Mexican beauty queen. So while in totality the situation may have been exaggerated it is ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE to blame BATFE...and, by extension, the US Justice Department...for "giving" guns to Mexican drug cartels. It was a REALLY STUPID move and heads need to roll...and I DON'T mean three low-level supervisors being reassigned to chushy jobs in DC while all the senior people and political appointees skate. This is clearly on the heads of the president and the AG.