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cruiser	Posted - 5/14/2013 4:38:26 PM \| show profile \| flag this post continue my self-imposed absence. We may be witnessing the beginnings of the disintegration of the imperial presidency. Obama counted on the loyalty of the left wing media to ignore or downplay his thuggish and illegal machinations. And that might have worked if ABC and the New York Times hadn't rolled over on him following revelations about Benghazi. This was closely followed by the outing of the IRS' targeting of conservative groups by unwarranted audits and intimidation, the leaking of the confidential financial data of high profile conservative taxpayers and the illegal breach of Associated Press phone line privacy by the DOJ. Along with this is the still-unresolved scandal of BATFE's Fast and Furious. All of these involve cabinet departments under the direct control of Obama appointees...indeed, perhaps even the president himself. The combination of the defections of ABC and the NYT, the existence of conservative talk radio and Fox News and the tardy dawning on the media that it probably should be acting in its own self-interest may well be enough to topple Obama's carefully-constructed house of cards.

cruster	Posted - 5/14/2013 6:35:36 PM \| show profile \| flag this post A Hero Rises! Yes brave cruiser, the world needs you now more than ever. Without you, facts, accurate objective reporting and overwhelming evidence will reign. We need your blatantly biased, judgmental and often inaccurate posts now more than ever! Sure, no one reads them other than a handful of people. And sure, they laugh at you. And sure, no one, at all, cares or listens to you. But that has NEVER stopped you before. Without you, evidence may come forward through the MSM to prove Obama was not at the bottom of the IRSgate, or the Benghazigate or any other gates. Ignore those who call you stupid, ignorant, old, crotchety, a troll, an idiot, a self aggrandizing bonehead, a blustering blowhard, a self centered piece of sh!t and all the other names used to describe you and your heroic posts. America needs you! From your dark, dank basement, your obscure anonymous troll posts hat lack any attribution of accuracy will save freedom. God bless you hero! And God bless the United States of America!

cruiser	Posted - 5/14/2013 7:13:24 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Pathetically lame attempts at humor and ad hominem are the permanent refuge of one who has no eartly clue how to engage in serious debate. And those who laugh as such drivel are no higher on the intellectual scale.

cruster	Posted - 5/14/2013 7:27:52 PM \| show profile \| flag this post no eartly clue Exactly! How on eart can we even have a debate with hominems being added through lame attempts at humor. Now is the time on this eart for serious discussion with no facts to back up your arguments. Scandal must be created whether it exists or not. Words like thuggish must be used with no evidence of any sort of "thuggish" behavior. And machinations! That's a big one. Only someone of your caliber can pull this off. You have told us all many, many, many, many, many times how smart you are! How learned and wise. And even though you've never produced a shred of proof, you have waxed proudly about your scholarly tomes on subjects ranging from climate change on eart to brain surgery. Why on eart would anyone object to the gift that is you hero cruiser? No one on eart does.

blackedtaped	Posted - 5/14/2013 9:02:58 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You know "cruster" After a while the mocking thing just gets boring. Trust me on this.

cruster	Posted - 5/14/2013 9:09:30 PM \| show profile \| flag this post It Does, I Know But cruiser goes on. Don't question him. He knows what he's doing. That's why he was put here on this eart.

orthicon	Posted - 5/14/2013 11:47:11 PM \| show profile \| flag this post oh, i don't know, blacked.. as a general rule of thumb, what cruster says makes a lot more sense than anything cruiztwit contributes on any given day..

VTexan	Posted - 5/15/2013 9:02:59 AM \| show profile \| flag this post "too important for me to continue my absence" translation: I can't not gloat. Allow me this indulgence.

VTexan	Posted - 5/15/2013 11:59:42 AM \| show profile \| flag this post And really, a note of thanks to Cruiser ...for bringing this all to our attention. There's been no coverage in the press so without his notice, none of us would even be aware of it. Perhaps I've been too hard on you through the years. Obviously, you only have only our welfare and the survival of the Republic in mind.

cruster	Posted - 5/15/2013 12:49:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post More Obama Scandal TOO IMPORTANT for cruiser to ignore The Obama controlled U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami says the first tropical depression of the Pacific hurricane season has formed off the coast of Mexico. Uncovered by the AP! http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1st-tropical-depression-pacific-season-forms Despite growing political support for global cooling proven by cruiser's tireless scientific writing, this Chicago gangster continues to use thuggish tactics to create storms in our mighty oceans. This is too important for our hero to continue his self imposed absence.

livinliberal	Posted - 5/15/2013 1:57:22 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Haha! Cruster is too funny... Keep going after Benghazi and the IRS...both guaranteed zeros...The AP thing may be more damning but how Obama is involved I have yet to see...Repubs are just wasting more time going after Obama instead of actually working for the people. What a waste of humanity...

mpdodgson	Posted - 5/15/2013 2:42:58 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Could we PLEASE get back to work One third of all House committees are busy investigating what the Obama Admin may or may not have done (scandal wise). Progress on 'Jobs' legislation, or the monstrous backlog of appointees? fugetaboutit. The WH wants to govern. It would be nice if the Legislative branch would do the same. "Obama was in Austin, TX to talk about the economy; on Friday, he was selling implementation of his health-care law; on Monday night, the president traveled to fundraisers in New York, where expressed his desire to still work with Republicans (and several foreign policy/national security meetings during the day) 11:00 am ET, he delivers remarks at a national peace officers memorial. Oh, there was another piece of news from yesterday the White House would have enjoyed to tout -- the budget deficit, according to the Congressional Budget Office, is estimated to fall to its lowest level since 2008. But what are the stories still being discussed in Washington today? The IRS targeting conservative-sounding groups. The Justice Department getting the AP’s phone records in a national-security leak investigation. And the Obama administration revising those Benghazi talking points." (NBC) In other words, would you PLEASE get back to governing instead of wasting all your time on three fake scandals?? Is that too much to ask?

newscred	Posted - 5/15/2013 4:13:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post WH control freaks "The WH wants to govern. It would be nice if the Legislative branch would do the same." REALLY? The WH wants to control, not govern. The Senate (and until 2010 the house) have been giving that control and power to the WH. Did Obama work to improve the economy in the past 4 years? Did he work to help people get jobs? No on both counts. The economy is limping along, unemployment numbers may be down slightly, but partly due to people no longer getting unemployment or no longer looking for work and many who are now getting on the welfare rolls. Between the incompetency of this president and those of his party who are willingly driving the country down the path toward european socialism, the United States is in big trouble.

orthicon	Posted - 5/15/2013 4:17:42 PM \| show profile \| flag this post newscred..you need to pay a little more attention.. you claim the "economy is still limping along".. with the dow now consistently above the 15,000 level?.. please explain to me and all of us how you reach that conclusion..

cruiser	Posted - 5/15/2013 5:11:25 PM \| show profile \| flag this post The DJIA only accounts for the health of the DJIA It has only tenuous connections to the health of the economy. The growth in the GDP for the first quarter was a very anemic POINT FOUR percent. That's an annualized rate of 2.4 percent...not laudable by anyone's standards. The economy continues to limp along as it has for the entire four plus years of Obama's presidency. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323789704578446513668963282.html

blackedtaped	Posted - 5/15/2013 5:28:10 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Mpdodgson, "fake" scandals? IRS targeting groups based on political affiliation? Reporters phone call records targeted by the DOJ? And of course a US Embassy attacked and the administration not only lied about the cause but may have ignored the cries for help from the Embassy? I would bet my last dollar that if ANY of this happened 8 years ago you would not be saying "just let them govern".

cruster	Posted - 5/15/2013 6:17:09 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Did he work to help people get jobs?" Did Obam EVER do anything to "stimulate" the economy? Did he EVER try to fund infrastructure related jobs that government pays for only to have the GOP controlled House stop them? And finally, didn't Ronald Reagan say the government can't create jobs? Ooops! Shouldn't have included that last one. Let's just blame Obama, and not the GOP for continually blocking every idea that comes from the WH. After all, these scandals have cost thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars, severely damaging our reputation around the world and no WMD were ever found! Ooops! Damn it. Forget that one too.

orthicon	Posted - 5/15/2013 7:00:03 PM \| show profile \| flag this post blacked..no american embassy was attacked.. it was a consulate..and apparently not much of one.. you don't normally make mistakes like that..

cruiser	Posted - 5/15/2013 7:27:33 PM \| show profile \| flag this post That making a great deal of sound and fury over a VERY small distinction in order to obscure the larger issue.

blackedtaped	Posted - 5/15/2013 7:58:03 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Orthicon Call it whatever you want but four Americans died. I don't think it matters that much what you call the place where they died now does it?

orthicon	Posted - 5/15/2013 8:41:36 PM \| show profile \| flag this post no, it doesn't..unless you're simply trying to ratchet up the debate over what is beginning to become a non-story..or at least much less of a story than the Darrell issas of this world want it to be.. yes, four americans died.. and i'm very sorry about that..but with the release of that stack of e-mails today, we're beginning to see that the republican right may have overreached on this one..drastically so.. again, knowing issa as I do.. no surprise there..

mpdodgson	Posted - 5/15/2013 9:14:56 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I sort of agree with cruiser and blackedtape here... ...whether it was a consulate or an embassy is "a VERY small distinction", and "I don't think it matters that much what you call the place where they died now does it?"... What people have not been to explain to me is how a consulate attack resulting in the tragic deaths of four people is an 'impeachable offense and worse than Watergate'...while a terrorist attack killing 241 Marines (under Reagan) was not? Or...why "The UMd. database lists 64 attacks on American diplomatic targets during the George W. Bush administration, including car bombs at the US embassy in Yemen and armed attackers assaulting a US consulate in Saudi Arabia."...well, that was apparently just the cost of doing business, donchaknow. THIRTEEN attacks on consulates and embassies under the previous administration. Scores of deaths. No special hearings, no calls for impeachments, no 24 hr breathless coverage from Fox. The point is simple--if the United States wants to be the premier super power in the world, it has to maintain these facilities. And not everyone likes us. We are going to be in danger. And the people who these positions know it. "I don't think it matters that much what you call the place where they died now does it?" I absolutely agree blackedtape. BUT it apparently does matter if it's Obama in the WH. Then it's an impeachable crime somehow.

cruster	Posted - 5/15/2013 9:18:03 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "a great deal of sound and fury" Exactly! Huh? What on eart did you mean?

mpdodgson	Posted - 5/15/2013 9:36:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Oh, and a PS regarding the original post starting this thread...referring to ABC specifically... If you have been following this story closely (and most of the world has not), ABC's Jonathan Karl made a big splash with his reporting that certain WH emails "scrubbed" references to terrorism etc in their "talking points" directions. ("talking points" directions have been around for decades, that's what the WH Communications Office does). Oops. This story goes back to our previous discussions here about reporters 'trying to be first--rather than accurate'. Those memos have been in Republican hands for months. Someone apparently fed Karl thier 'version' of one...and he went with it. Double oops. Former ABC reporter Jake Tapper got his hands on the real one, and you guessed it, they don't say the same thing. The WH today released everything (to the public) that the Congress has had for months. I only bring up this minor sideshow because it shows that sometimes it's not just a "Boston Bombing" story that can result in shoddy reporting, sometimes a complicated national security story can trip up good reporters. http://www.politicususa.com/abc-admits-read-benghazi-emails-smeared-obama-2.html http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/15/184205387/source-may-have-misled-media-about-key-benghazi-email

cruiser	Posted - 5/15/2013 10:26:37 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "What people have not been to explain to me..." As has been said many times, it's not the crime...it's the coverup. And that's the issue with the Benghazi story. Had the administration and the state department gotten out in front of this thing immediately it would have gone away. But there seem to be perhaps two things that prevented...or are currently preventing...that: 1) One of Obama's re-election mantras was that bin Laden had been killed and al Qaeda was on its heels. (That turned out not to be true and might have had a negative effect on the vote), and 2) While this is not yet confirmed, there is some indication that the Benghazi meeting between Ambassador Stevens and the Turkish prime minister on the day of the attack involved the running of guns from Libya to Turkey for eventual funneling to Syrian rebels. If true, the Obama administration...and the president himself...likely didn't want that made public...and certainly didn't want raise any ghosts of the Iran-Contra issue of the Reagan years. This gets messier the more that's revealed...and it eventually could prove highly damaging to the president.