Posted - 1/16/2013 12:11:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
"A man who found six children in his driveway in Newtown, Conn., after their teacher had been shot and killed in last month's school massacre has become the target of conspiracy theorists who believe the shootings were staged.
“I don’t know what to do,” Gene Rosen told Salon.com. “I’m getting hang-up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘How much am I being paid?'”
Rosen, a 69-year-old retired psychologist who lives near Sandy Hook Elementary School where the shootings took place, says his inbox is filled with emails like this one:
How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?
“The quantity of the material is overwhelming,” Rosen said, adding that he's sought the advice of a retired state police officer and plans to alert the FBI.
A quick Web search for Rosen's name reveals some of what he's opened himself up to: Appearing online are photos of his home, his address and phone number, several fake YouTube accounts and plenty of conspiracy theories."
Posted - 1/16/2013 12:36:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
there's a name for people like this..lemme think...
the word is IDIOTS..
Posted - 1/16/2013 1:40:15 PM | show profile | flag this post
I don't think there is any "conspiracy" here, I think he was a nut job looking for 15 minutes of fame and he sure as hell got it.
I saw two separate interviews with this guy and his story did not match up. He told two different stories re the children on his lawn to two different reporters.
NOTE: If you're going to run to the cameras and get filmed for the news, at least tell the same story twice.
Posted - 1/16/2013 2:33:50 PM | show profile | flag this post
The 'Newtown Truthers'
Actually make the 'Birthers' look reasonable.
Google 'The Sandy Hook Hoax' or 'Sandy Hook conspiracy'. Un-friggin believable. "One man has taken it upon himself to catalog all of the theories at SandyHookHoax.com. By way of credentials, creator Jay Johnson explains: “I am the only person in the world to solve LOST,” he writes (yes, the TV show).
Anderson Cooper has been on these guys for days; especially that FL Professor. THIS is how it's done IMO:
There is a very good debate to be had concerning these whackos: Does even mentioning them give them free publicity--and we SHOULDNT do it; or we SHOULD do it because it exposes how many crazies there are out there??
I lean towards the 'expose them, grill them, for the assholes they are'; but I can see the other side too. Opinions?
Posted - 1/16/2013 3:02:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
Watch the Anderson Cooper clip from a MEDIA STUDIES perspective.
Slickly packaged. Multiple use of the terms "conspiracy" "conspiracy theory" "conspiracy theorist." Before introducing the subject. Then the subject is introduced.
Identifies the professor numerous times by name (repetition). Shows large photo of his face. Shows him at work. Shows his home, including street number on his mailbox.
Cooper shows clips from two other "conspiracy theorists" but REFUSES identify them. Why? He even says he doesn't want to "give them publicity."
By his own logic: Why is he giving the professor publicity?
And what is the take-home message for viewers?
Is it: Why/not are questions being asked?
Or: This guy is a whackjob, he is a threat, here's what he looks like, here's where he works, here's his house. Go get him.
Again: Media/marketing studies analysis of segment.
Why does Anderson Cooper go after a too-bit professor at a crappy college in a state where gator hunting and football are held in higher esteem than education? This guy is no intellectual threat.
Had anyone even heard of this guy before the Anderson Cooper segment?
I once heard: If there's a conspiracy, the government will tell you directly.
Have we been told?
Posted - 1/16/2013 3:06:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
a nut job? this kind man comforted terrified children whose
teacher had just been murdered. they had run out of the school into his driveway. he took them into his home, gave then juice and stuffed animals, listened to their shocking stories , and called their parents. what is happening to him is disgusting.
If I had just spoken to 6 year old kids who told me " we
can't go back to our school. our teacher is dead, " I'd be
in a state of shock and might get my stories mixed up too.
Posted - 1/16/2013 3:24:43 PM | show profile | flag this post
.... and ran directly to the press TWICE so he could be interviewed.
If I had actually just helped six terrified kids who witnessed their teacher get shot ...
Somehow, I don't think my instinct would be to run immediately to two different networks so I could tell my story.
But that's me. He's a nut job.
Posted - 1/16/2013 3:25:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
Which is why I think he is lying. Not because he is involved in a conspiracy, but because he was seeking 15 minutes of fame for himself.
Posted - 1/16/2013 3:41:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
I have no idea why he gave those interviews or if the
media approached him. maybe he was so upset he needed
to talk to someone. I think it is crass to accuse him of lying
and wanting his 15 minutes of fame.
Posted - 1/16/2013 4:33:17 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm sorry beenthere
I don't think you're looking at the big picture here.
There are literally thounsand of sites out there--and people willing to go on talk shows--absolutley convinced that Sandy Hook (and Colorado) was a fake, a fraud, hired actors, including kids, all working towards some sort of 'Wag the Dog' conspiracy planned by the WH.
Now I think these people are stark raving crazy. But you can't argue with a conspiracy nut. While we can disagree as to how this 'specific' whackjob was handled by Cooper; don't forget to see the 'forest' instead of a 'tree'. That was my point. Do you disregard all of them out of there, or 'pick and choose' the nuttiest of the nutty?
Posted - 1/16/2013 4:44:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
I just saw an Anderson Cooper clip about this. He interviewed Rosen who told Cooper that he spoke with the media because wanted to highlight the bravery of these childen.
Posted - 1/16/2013 4:57:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
we might as well give up on beenthere..
i think his new leadfoil hat fits a little too tightly..
that any thinking person would buy into ANY of this nonsense is beyond me..
Posted - 1/16/2013 5:43:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
Did anyone watch the Anderson Cooper video?
It's media propaganda. Can you honestly say that Anderson Cooper is "reporting" on conspiracy theorists in an unbiased way? Furthermore, why the HELL would he even bother reporting on this stupid professor? How did a professor even get up to par with being covered by Cooper, arguably the No. 1 media celebrity in the United States?
Why would Cooper NOT identify the others after showing the guy's face, his workplace and his home, repeating his names multiple times?
I wouldn't be surprised if this professor ends up dead. Cooper all but put a hit out on him.
Funny, again, how questioning automatically labels one part of the "tin hat" brigade. Since when has asking questions been discouraged? Since when has challenging what doesn't seem quite right make a conspiracy theorist?
Why is the truth ONLY what the media tells you?
This PROFESSION is lost, honey. Not me. My eyes are wide open.
Analyze the news. Don't be a lapdog.
Posted - 1/16/2013 5:52:43 PM | show profile | flag this post
I challenge ANY of you to quote me directly where I have written, it's a hoax, it's a conspiracy, it's a cover-up.
Good luck, because I haven't done so. But you've used those words at ME. Why?
Because I want more information. Because I am asking questions. Because I have stated that we HAVEN'T been given information, that the information that has been released is incomplete.
It's pathetic how apathetic the press has become. How apathetic the public has become.
If there was a campaign to eat arsenic, would you all line up for your spoonfuls? Or would you stop and say, hey, wait a minute....
I'm guessing the line would be loooong. Say AHHHH.
Posted - 1/16/2013 7:28:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
Your questions are easily answered by:
- at least effort, a simple google search
- at most effort a simple google search and rational and reasonable deduction.
Perhaps you dont have that capacity.
In which case your blame is misplaced. The failure is not media, it is you.
Posted - 1/16/2013 8:44:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** Can you honestly say that Anderson Cooper is "reporting" on conspiracy theorists in an unbiased way? ***
Cooper isn't required to "report" in an unbiased way -- he's a news commentator, not a reporter.
Posted - 1/16/2013 9:02:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
With all due respect, because you're unable to differentiate between commentators and reporters (this isn't the first time), then you need to bone up on news literacy. It will enable you to take a 360-degree view, not just your current 180. You'll see that the websites and people you're putting up here as being unbiased truth-tellers are not that at all.
The professor, for example, is a pot-stirrer and, now, a backpedaler. And arrogant! He knows he can say whatever he wants and still get a paycheck because he's shielded by academic freedom and tenure. I noticed that he's not a member of the big national organization of mass comm professors and that his research appears in obscure journals (I didn't check to see whether the journals are peer reviewed, which is a mark of quality in a journal).
Anyway, you can believe whatever you like, but if you're going to preach your gospel to the objects of your disaffection, it's really best to have a grasp on the basics of news literacy first.
Posted - 1/17/2013 1:42:27 AM | show profile | flag this post
The Neighbor In Question
the retired psychologist, shares a name with a registered actor with SAG. Their ages are different, but their names are the same. That's where this crap story began. That, and the eagerness by the crazed right wing to sink to any depths to lay every single evil event at Obama's feet.
Scary black man in the White House. Ooooohhhh!!!!
Posted - 1/17/2013 9:35:41 AM | show profile | flag this post
Attacking a man who comforted children...
in a crisis is an extreme form of bullying.
And beenthere, drop the crazy conspiracy stuff -- you've become more tiresome than con or puzo.
This man did not "run to the media." If you worked in the business you would know that the media run to people like this -- his is a great story.
You should be ashamed of yourself for joining other bullies in attacking someone who helped in a time of crisis.
Posted - 1/17/2013 12:05:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
I distinctly remember that the first-day print/Web coverage mentioned that a small group of children had run to the home of a man whose house is next to or near the school, and that he fed them lunch. It was a small part of the big story on that day, not more than two or three grafs.
beenthere probably doesn't know that we talk to the neighbors, either by starting a conversation in public or by knocking on doors. He/she has already indicated not knowing that we update information and do follow-ups. Lack of knowledge leads to presumption, which leads to bias, none of which is cured by reaming.
Posted - 1/17/2013 2:15:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
Coroner claims bodies were on SECOND FLOOR. Watch the video. There are a ton of videos on youtube. Pick your own. He says it, loud and clear.
Then read this:
dated: January 13, 2013
source: Hartford Courant
Here is a direct QUOTE from that article, copied and pasted from the article itself.
NEWTOWN — — Christine Wilford said that her second-grade son, Richard, wants to go back to Sandy Hook Elementary School.
"Granted, he did not see a lot," Wilford said of her son's experience during the massacre at the school on Dec. 14.
It's just that some aspects of the new school — Chalk Hill in Monroe — are unfamiliar and scary. Chalk Hill has two floors, unlike the ONE-STORY Sandy Hook. When students move chairs on the second floor, the sounds are jarring to children on the first floor, "which is setting off a lot of triggers," Wilford said.
Wait, how many floors was that?
*These aren't the droids you're looking for."
P.S. Why was there a bus driver hanging out at his house? Where did she go? And how did he check the child's name on a casualty list that had not been released?
Been fun, but am done. There are none so blind that they cannot see.
Peace to all.
Posted - 1/17/2013 3:13:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
Don't go away, beenthere
We cannot allow the paid left wing spinmeisters to turn this forum into just one more of the hundreds of radical left echo boxes on the 'net.
I've decided that I won't go away completely either. I have the time and energy...and lord knows, the radicals on here need to be balanced out.
Posted - 1/17/2013 3:17:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
I've been aware for some time
that the closer we conservatives get to the facts...particularly if they run counter to the left's then-current narrative...the more effort they concentrate on ad hominem, personal attacks, insults, etc. Along with that are their efforts to disguise the real issue with dozens of irrelevant posts so that the message gets lost in the noise.
We need to stick around and offset that.
Posted - 1/17/2013 3:49:50 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm not surprised...
that cruzo, the self-admitted birther, would call for a conspiracy theorist to contribute to political debate.
Cruzo is from the extreme right wing fringe where conspiracy theories have taken the place of reason, critical thought and serious policy.
It's why William F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan are spinning in their graves over the bunch that have unjustly laid claim to the conservative movement.
Posted - 1/17/2013 4:27:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm still sorry (though I'm beginning to wonder why) you have such a conspiracy fixation over this.
Statements from any Coroner, any ME, any first responder, and victim, any relative of a victim--any anyone--from that day has to be taken in context of shock, confusion, and chaos. I remember covering a fatal fire once when I ran over to a fireman carrying a very small body out. With a glazed over look in his eyes, covered with ash, he mono-toned-robot-like 'There may have been fatalities'. (You tried to convince us at one point that there were no paramedics at the scene at all--so much for buying into mis-information)
It's the nature of the beast. Covering Hell and bedlam in real time is not an exact science. IF you actually were in the biz like many of us here you would understand that. Geez I remember covering the Pres Reagan shooting and we didn't even know if the Press Sec was dead or not...or Thanks to Haig, who was in charge..and these were the NATIONAL Press, not just us lowly locals.
"This PROFESSION is lost, honey. Not me. My eyes are wide open." That's just plain wrong, and insulting to boot. The proverbial 'first draft of history' allows for further drafts and revisions until the story is accurate.
"Been fun, but am done." Well, no one is actually 'kicking you off of anything'. You want to question the press--go right ahead--we do it all the time. The Fourth Estate is propably the most self critical industry of all time. But at least listen to reasonable explanations.
As for 'cruiser'??? I'm sorry, don't recognize the name.