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| beenthere |
Posted - 11/30/2012 9:23:08 AM | show profile | flag this post
I could give a rat's patootie whether Walmart is unionized or not. I never even mentioned the word. I don't see what fair wages and fair company practices have to do with unions.
Funny though, that other posters see fair wage = unions. I also find it very odd that the posters who scream about entitlements are in favor of Walmart business practices, which essentially make the taxpayer funding of entitlements mandatory. Oh the irony.
I choose not to shop at Walmart. I also do not shop at other name retailers for other reasons.
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Posted - 11/30/2012 9:50:49 AM | show profile | flag this post
liberals love costco so much biden went their for a photo-op and bought a tv made in japan.
what happen to by american, libs?
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| beenthere |
Posted - 11/30/2012 10:20:27 AM | show profile | flag this post
Walmart "sucking $5M / day" from Taxpayers
Here's an article written by a conservative re Walmart:
THE WALMART WELFARE QUEEN
THE CASE FOR CONSERVATIVES AGAINST WALMART
http://www.andmagazine.com/content/phoenix/12635.html
And an excerpt:
The average Walmart employee working 34 hours per week makes just over $15,000 per year on an average wage of $8.81 per hour. Most Walmart employees are among the 25 percent of all American workers making less than $10 per hour. As much as 80 percent of Walmart workers are on food stamps and add up to some of the largest recipients of Medicaid in many states. By the droves, Walmart kids and families are on the All Kids or Peach Care programs. In Arkansas, they call it ARKids First, but in fact it should really be called "Walmart Kids First" since they make up the majority and highest number of beneficiaries.
Shouldn't someone tell the Walton family that there's no such thing as a free lunch? Nearly two billion dollars annually burden the American taxpayer to subsidize the low-price, low-wage cost for a mega-corporation who profits each year between 15 and 20 billion dollars. This year, the store set a new precedent by opening on Thanksgiving Day at 8:00pm nationwide, two hours earlier than the previous year. In the first four hours, between 8:00pm and midnight, the company claims it processed 10,000,000 transactions at its cash registers, swiping an average of 5,000 items per second.
I hear my conservative friends whining and griping a lot about social programs. I hear them complaining about people who need assistance for food. I hear often the phrase that echoes from a 1976 campaign speech that Ronald Reagan gave about a "welfare queen" driving a Cadillac on the south side of Chicago. But as it turns out, one of the biggest welfare queens in this country doesn't live in Chicago. She doesn't live in downtown Detroit. She lives in Bentonville, Arkansas and she's sucking over five million dollars per day from the government dole and bloating our national debt even greater! She's the wealthiest damn family in the whole wide freaking world. Where are you conservatives? Where are you Tea Partiers? I can hear Ronald Reagan rolling in his grave. These are our tax dollars and we're trying to pay down an overblown national debt while one of the richest companies in this land is having us subsidize their shortsighted greed that forces millions of American workers into a life of government dependency. This is not capitalism. This is not the free market. These are not Republican values. Or are they?
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| beenthere |
Posted - 11/30/2012 10:25:28 AM | show profile | flag this post
the last graf of the article:
This is not a liberal versus conservative issue. This is not a Republican versus Democrat issue. This is not a partisan issue at all. This is an American jobs and economy issue. It's time for fiscally worried conservatives to join hands with socially concerned liberals in the fight against this corrupt corporation which has conducted its calamitous practice in our great country for far too long. You'd have to be a Communist loving, poverty job creating, food stamp supporting, economy crushing, anti-American fool to shop at Walmart. At least for now, and for the sake of us all, stop doing it. Stand up. Live better.
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 11/30/2012 8:53:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** There are very few Walmarts in California and with good reason. Most of their employees are kept to part time schedules and paid so little that they qualify for food stamps and Medi-Cal. Which means that the taxpayers of California (like me) pay for their food and medical coverage, not their employer, because Walmart employees don't earn a living wage and certainly not one sufficient to support families. ***
Yep. The WalMarts here in Southern California seem to be at least 15-20 miles apart.
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Posted - 12/1/2012 3:59:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
Question:
If all the Walmarts closed, is there another company which would come in and give all those workers jobs?
How many union people do you know who are trapped in gold-plated handcuffs? They will never fulfill their potential because they can't leave the cushy jobs they now hate.
No one grows up saying "I want to be a Walmart cashier!" With Walmart and most other minimum page jobs (McDonalds?,) you do your entry level time and move on and, hopefully, up.
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Posted - 12/1/2012 4:43:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
Oh please, stop.
the current labour market is glutted with experienced, educated, workers who are taking low-task jobs just to make ends meet.
there are plenty of university educated out-of-work accountants, teachers, even journalists taking those walmart and costco jobs.
Even the military is no way out: hundreds of thousands of Iraq/Afghans veterans cant find jobs despite their experience, responsibilty and GI bill educations.
- Half of all higher-education graduates are jobless or underemployed... this after paying record high tuition fees and/or student debt.
formal underemployment .. workers in part time jobs seeking full time.. is at around 17% according to gallop.
- The Federal Reserve reported last spring that the economic crisis left the median American family in 2010 with no more wealth than in the early 1990s, wiping away two decades of gains. so the option of retraining, or moving (selling houses at an equity loss) just isn't possible
Even worse if you're just a HS grad:
- The real entry-level hourly wage for men who recently graduated from high school fell to $11.68 last year, from $15.64 in 1979, according to data from the Economic Policy Institute. And the percentage of those jobs that offer health insurance has plummeted to 22.8 percent, from 63.3 percent in 1979.
So lets hit the break on all this bootstrapping, horatio alger, upward mobility nonsense for a bit.
its not the reality, or possibility, in this economy.
In fact, even without this recession/depression, American upward mobility for the since Clinton has been the worst since the 1920's.
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 12/1/2012 10:28:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
You're talking like WalMart doesn't hire moonlighters anymore.
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 12/1/2012 10:37:09 PM | show profile | flag this post
** there are plenty of university educated out-of-work accountants, teachers, even journalists taking those walmart and costco jobs.
** Even the military is no way out: hundreds of thousands of Iraq/Afghans veterans cant find jobs despite their experience, responsibilty and GI bill educations. **
You're also running down the intelligence of these people and of those who do the hiring at WalMart. No accountant, teacher or journalist is stupid enough not to find a better-suited job for their skills or to create one for themselves, and no hiring manager wants an over-educated hire whose intention is to leave.
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| beenthere |
Posted - 12/2/2012 9:27:43 AM | show profile | flag this post
THe workers took those jobs because Walmart drove out other businesses.
Not sure why there is a concentrated effort to defend Walmart. It's a shitty company that provides crappy jobs that sells crappy shit made from slave labor in third world countries while keeping all employees at or below poverty level.
Why are 80% of its workers on federal/state aid?
And why are YOU as a taxpayer OK with that?
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| cdnreprtr |
Posted - 12/2/2012 12:18:39 PM | show profile | flag this post
sorry GD...
... economic need always trumps intelligence, athleticism, charisma, pretty much any skill or talent one can think of.
Someone sinking (economically) grabs whatever rope they can get. Especially if they have kids to support.
I dont know exactly what it is like down there. But i volunteer at a food bank here (Canada doesn't have a food stamp program) and i'm always shocked by the "there but for the grace of god" folks I meet; educated, intelligent but got a tough break or dealt a bad hand ...
... and down't underestimate the intelligence of HR departments. they know a mature employee, struggling to put food on the table for their kids, is going to be more responsible and stick around longer than some high schooler cutting shifts to see DeadMau5.
the whole idea of working hard = success doesn't have a great track record in the real world. Life is a bit more complex than that.
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Posted - 12/2/2012 12:37:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
** Someone sinking (economically) grabs whatever rope they can get. Especially if they have kids to support.
... and down't underestimate the intelligence of HR departments. they know a mature employee, struggling to put food on the table for their kids, is going to be more responsible and stick around longer than some high schooler cutting shifts to see DeadMau5. ***
OK, you've just established that you have never been laid off OR in a hiring position -- in other words, that you're making stereotypical pronouncements in this thread that aren't based on actual practices of real human beings.
I HAVE been both a laid-off job seeker and a hirer. So you can either believe what I tell you, which is further based on extensive contact with others in the same positions, or you can continue hammering away with your total BS. (If you're inclined toward self-education, see the trade magazine Workforce Management for starters.)
Your closed mind has been abundantly evident in other threads about employment and about company ownership. You can go right ahead believing your little myths. If you want to think of your WalMart cashier as a former accountant who's stupid enough to consume professional-job hunting time in order to pull down minimum wage part time, you go right ahead. If you want to believe that companies don't consider hiring and training to be valuable investments, that's fine. They are only YOUR beliefs, based on nothing but your own arrogance.
And you really think that anyone here actually believes you're a Canadian in Canada? Ha! No Canadian is so all-consumed with U.S. politics when he has his own country's to bash.
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