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Posted - 2/9/2013 4:01:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
You say, regarding Dorner:
"there has, so far as I know, been no mention of his political leanings for one simple reason..
it has NOTHING to do with the story..NOTHING.."
I mostly agree with you on this. Though, I would say that his gun control philosophy is an interesting angle given it's timeliness.
The point, which some on the right are making here, is that if Dorner had been a right wing zealot or even a suspected right wing zealot, the media would have been all over that aspect of the story.. ie, ABC's Brian Ross noting that a Tea Party member had the same name as the Colorado theatre killer though THAT had absolutely NOTHING to do with the story; left-wingers pouncing on Sarah Palin after the Gifford's shooting simply because Palin had used the phrase "targeted districts." THAT had absolutely NOTHING to do with the story. These were just absurd attempts to bash the rightwing with twisted and erroneous implications.
Now we have another crazed, mass killer, Christopher Dorner. But, this time his rambling manifesto celebrates Obama. Yet all we hear in the MSM about Dorner's left-wing leanings is crickets. He is even using his assault-rifles to make the leftwing case for gun control (it's in his "manifesto.") Yet, we hear nothing about that twisted logic in the MSM. The issue, for us on this board, is the ongoing hypocrisy which we on the right, see among some on the left.
I think that it's time for us (in the media) to realize that all of these killers are nuts no matter what their political affiliations. Unless they are on a rampage specifically in the name of left or right wing policies, trying to link their insane actions to mainstream parties is simply senseless.
Posted - 2/9/2013 4:32:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
stop..i couldn't agree more..
it shoudn't matter what the shooter's philosophy is.. it shouldn't have mattered in the incidents you listed..it shouldn't matter which political figure he thinks is cuter than lace pants..
most of our brethren have given up doing their jobs the way they were trained..if they were trained at all..an ever-increasing number were NOT..
Posted - 2/9/2013 4:34:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
Mentioned in his manifesto that he was a devout Glenn Beck or FoxNews fan....
Would I mention that either 'here' or in my newscast copy?? I can't speak for anyone else...but personally, and in all honesty, the answer is a resounding yes. But that's me. (I think the guy's manifesto is a key element of the story)
As for 'dialing back' the coverage because of possible copycats---I'm sorry. I disagree. Of course there is always that risk, it goes with the territory. That's why we (usually) don't report High School bomb threats. But a (crazed?) cop killer on the loose?? Not to mention the sloppy arrest attempt??? Hell yes you cover that like a blanket if it's your market. Nationally? Not so much.
There has been an average of 18 fatal shootings each and every day since Sandy Hook. 18 a day. I can't imagine that any network has done 18 stories a day about that.
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Posted - 2/9/2013 6:16:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
A violent, murderous, loonie toon
shouldn't have a gun in the first place. I don't give a crap what political affiliation a murderer has, a murderer is a murderer.
I am comforted by the fact that the usual idiots here still support the right of any deranged murderer to buy as many guns and as much ammunition as it/she/he wants.
Please, let's have more stupid discussions like this thread. Heaven forbid we actually discuss gun violence.
Posted - 2/9/2013 8:21:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
the ability to acquire guns or not does NOT apply here..
as a sworn police officer, dorner would have no trouble getting whatever weapons he wanted..
up to and including .50 caliber rifles, should he desire to have one..abd you can't discount the possibility of full-auto weapons..
i have a number of police officer friends, active and retired..any two or three of them could partner up and stock a good-sized gun store, just out of their personal weapons lockers at home..
probably shouldn't try to fit this case into the national gun debate..it just won't fit there..
Posted - 2/10/2013 1:22:53 AM | show profile | flag this post
"I am comforted by the fact that..."
No, you're tortured by the fact that you can't sell that dishonest bullsh*t no matter how hard you try.
Posted - 2/10/2013 8:12:36 AM | show profile | flag this post
I just wan to see if I get this right.
A guy who now is on a shooting rampage, killing armed and trained cops, argues gun control is a good thing.
And conservatives are outraged by his anti-gun liberalism. A liberalism that would take away a killer's right to assault weapons and cop killing bullets, and no background checks.
Yeah. That's the problem.
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Posted - 2/10/2013 11:00:08 AM | show profile | flag this post
Dorner was fired. Don't equate him with good, honest, upstanding police officers, active or retired.
The guy has issues to put it mildly. The following is an article based on court records and confidential internal affairs reports:
"Ex-girlfriend Ariana Williams told ABC 7 that she was initially attracted to Dorner, who was outgoing and friendly. But she became troubled by his paranoia.
Williams told he had guns all over her house: "He'd be in the bed and there'd be one by the bed. There'd be one on the kitchen counter. There may be a combat knife or something, maybe I saw, in the bathroom one day or in the kitchen. He said, 'You know, you're always on duty. When you're a cop, you don't ever know who is watching you or following you.""
Everything is always someone else's fault. His lawyer, a former police officer, was unable to save Dorner's job. Dorner's first victims were the lawyer's daughter and her fiance (contrary to 2oldcruztwit's assertion in his initial post that they were "two of his former colleagues").
I don't care how "injured" you feel by other peoples' actions, even if he had a good case, that is no reason to murder people.
This guy has had issues with paranoia. Why should he be ok to buy an arsenal? Why is it ok that innocent people are dead? What happened to the right wing talking point of keeping the mentally ill from buying guns?
I disagree with you orthicon, this IS part of the national gun debate. Here we have an example of an unstable person who is allowed to buy an arsenal, maybe even "fully auto" weapons. That is a bad combination. I don't care if he was correct that everyone was out to get him. Shooting people is not the solution.
Posted - 2/10/2013 11:11:51 AM | show profile | flag this post
"What happened to the
right wing talking point of keeping the mentally ill from buying guns?"
Thanks for admitting that you idiot left wingers don't want to prevent nut cases from acquiring firearms..
It's left wingers that are keeping NICS and law enforcement from getting data on nut cases..."privacy" and "the inherent goodness of people" and all that, dontchaknow.
Posted - 2/10/2013 11:48:30 AM | show profile | flag this post
Cops get it wrong...again...
shoot up another pickup truck after ramming it with a cruiser.
This time, however, the truck was a different color than Dorner's, a different make and the driver was a smallish white man, not the hulking 300-pound black Dorner.
Do LA cops go through ANY sort of training or psych evals?
This time, thankfully, the driver was not hit by gunfire as were the two women delivering newspapers in the first incident. However, he appears to have suffered disabling injuries in the collision.
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Posted - 2/10/2013 12:10:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
poor reading comprehension.
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Posted - 2/10/2013 12:34:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
I posted before I saw your last post. You did not comprehend my post, that is true, but I wasn't responding to your post about how many people are not responsible enough nor capable of owning and using fire arms. I agree, there are far too many people who have guns who never should have been allowed to have them.
Posted - 2/10/2013 5:31:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
just.. i'm not wquating him with anyone or anything..
all i'm doing is pointing out the fact that sworn police officers have access to weapons that you and i don't have..
and that many of them take advantage of that access to acquire their own arsenals..
many are gun collectors and sport shooters, as well as hunters..
as such, dorner could and probably did legally buy weapons that you and i wouldn't be able to...
Posted - 2/10/2013 6:08:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
Dorner talks about it in his "manifesto." He tells where, how and what he got and calls out by name a particular gun dealer in Nevada, which has looser firearms laws than California.
Dorner's Facebook page with the "manifesto" on it was shut down, but you can read a PDF of the document here: http://documents.latimes.com/christopher-dorner-manifesto/ It's chilling in its obsession, narcissism and justification of cruelty.
Posted - 2/11/2013 1:49:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
Dorner is mentally ill...
An old girlfriend of his warned women to stay away from the guy...total nut case. Just proves how we need to have more background checks for everyone. I don't see where his political views enter the conversation except to say he is one bit hypocrite...preaching for gun control yet using his personal arsenal to hunt down his enemies. This just screams out for more gun control all the way around. The politics of Dorner have nothing to do with it...
Posted - 2/11/2013 2:14:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
"screams out for more gun contro"
What it screams out is...you're nuts. Guns are NOT the problem...as a whole raft of mass shootings over the years have more than amply demonstrated. In virtually all cases the SHOOTERS have had mental or emotional issues that SHOULD have been diagnosed and treated...and NICS and law enforcement should have been notified that the individuals were prohibited under 18 USC 922 to own or possess firearms.
Why do yo left wing morons insist on trying to solve PEOPLE problems by banning inanimate objects...which can do NOTHING except under the direct control of PEOPLE?
Posted - 2/11/2013 4:35:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
in this day and age who still clings to the mantra "Guns are NOT the problem..." is SERIOUSLY blind and demented.
Video games have nothing to do with it. Other countries play more games than we do--with a fraction of deaths we have.
Violent movies have nothing to do with it. Other countries watch Bruce Willis or the Avengers or Bond just like we do-- with a fraction of deaths we have.
Regarding "mental or emotional issues". WE ALL AGREE this is a problem that should be addressed more often. That does not mean that it should be a scapegoat for the GUNS. The continued drumbeat about "and NICS and law enforcement should have been notified that the individuals were prohibited under 18 USC 922 to own or possess firearms."
The Sandy Hook murderer DIDN'T own or possess the firearms. Are you the only left in the world who hasn't read that?? So, IT IS THE GUNS. (and we know that 40% of the gun sales out there don't even DO a background check)
You cannot have a mass shooting armed with a lawn chair. Or a stapler. Or even a compound bow. The Repubs are so big on "Listening to the People!!" Fine. The polls show the people want better background checks, they want to ban high capacity magazines, and are about 50/50 on the assault weapons.
"Guns are NOT the problem..." has got to be one of the dumbest statements of the decade. The VERY minute you show me a case of a "mass school murder" (28 dead total) committed by a candle weilding assailant, I'll take it all back.
Posted - 2/11/2013 6:24:17 PM | show profile | flag this post
Dogson, you're dumber than a box of rocks
If Lanza "didn't possess guns" HOW IN THE HELL DID HE SHOOT 27 PEOPLE???
Christ on a crutch!
Are you SERIOUSLY that stupid or do you always exaggerate and distort the facts to support your radical left belief system?
And I noticed in another thread you just HAD to throw in a bald-faced lie to embellish your point. With DAMN FEW exceptions, kids in the US cannot...repeat, CANNOT...get behind the trigger of a machine gun...licensed or not.
You don't do your credibility any good at all with this kind of bullsh*t.
Posted - 2/11/2013 6:39:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
don't you know? What part didn't you read?
Lanza--the shooter--didn't buy the guns, did not own the guns, did not possess the guns. Mom did. He GOT HOLD OF THE GUNS and used them to kill 28 people. Sweet Jeebus. Background checks of mentally ill people has absolutely postively zero nada nothing to do with it. He didn't buy the guns. Repeat that. He didn't buy the guns.
So, no matter how you cut it, it was a mentally ill person who had ACCESS to the guns. Same as the LA cop killer, same as the mentally ill person who killed America's most famous sniper (and that dude was already diagnosed with PTSD). It's the access to the GUNS that kill people. You can't mass murder people with a lawn mower.
(And of course, teens and adults can and do buy and own machine guns. Happens every day)
Posted - 2/11/2013 6:54:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
There's just no reasoning with you. I don't know why I try. This place makes ZERO difference in the grand scheme of things. Over and out.
Posted - 2/11/2013 7:30:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
Christ on a crutch!
As if he'd need one! But he didn't! Nor WOULD he!!
Brave cruiser blasphemes for liberty none the less.
Posted - 2/12/2013 5:51:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
And Yahoo is reporting that cops are in a shootout with Dormer.
Except the cops haven't confirmed the suspect's identity.
Yet the masses will read the headline and believe that Dormer is there.
Fine, fine media reporting, as usual.
Posted - 2/12/2013 5:53:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
dormer isn't there..
dorNer.. might be..
Posted - 2/12/2013 6:12:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
that's your response? a comment on a typo?
Not that a leading site on the Internet where millions of people get information blatantly LIED in its headline.
That, of course, is not important. Truth in reporting is not important.
Posted - 2/12/2013 7:08:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
I don't see where anyone
"blatantly LIED " about anything. I thnk your anger against the media is mis-placed here since the LAPD is telling reporters thy have the guy trapped after a shoot-out...pretty much the way it was reported.