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What was Boehner thinking?
Posted - 12/21/2012 9:12:49 AM | show profile | flag this post
He wasted an entire week, breaking off negotiations with the President to pursue his Quixotic "Plan B."
He got slapped down by his own party, the House is recessed, and we're still heading toward the fiscal cliff.
The only hope now, is for Pelosi and Boehner to find 17 or 18 Republicans willing to vote for a Democratic compromise plan.
Failing that, the GOP will take us over the cliff.
Posted - 12/21/2012 9:19:33 AM | show profile | flag this post
Oh, and before our regular con(artist)servatives...
try to attack my message -- it ain't just me saying this. It's coming from REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN, too:
"It weakens the entire Republican Party, the Republican majority. It's the continuing dumbing-down of the Republican Party and we are going to be seen more and more as a bunch of extremists that can't even get a majority of our own people to support policies that we're putting forward."
-- Rep. Steven LaTourette (R-OH), quoted by Roll Call, on the failure of House Speaker John Boehner's "Plan B" to avoid the fiscal cliff.
Posted - 12/21/2012 10:53:12 AM | show profile | flag this post
Funny how that works...
Boehner offers a compromise that his own party found extreme and the White House refuses to even talk to him about it, yet you say "the GOP will take us over the cliff". Is it even possibile for you to look at anything in a non-partisan manner?
As I have said all along the White House has NEVER wanted a compromise and has wanted to push us over the cliff all along. The only thing now is they cannot honestly blame republicans. Oh don't worry they will but it is without merit and dishonest.
Enjoy the new tax rates, which really are the old Clinton rates so many of you have dreamed about.
Posted - 12/21/2012 11:07:56 AM | show profile | flag this post
you sound as out of touch as the rest of your party.
The GOP did not reject Boehner's plan as "too extreme." They rejected it because of their extreme position against any tax hike for any reason.
The President has offered compromise after compromise -- he's taking heat from his own party for changes to Social Security and for not holding out for stronger tax hikes on the wealthy (He's backed off the "more than $250,000" line for a "more than $400,000" income line).
The ball has been in the GOP's court since the election. The message from voters was then that Obama's policies won.
Since then, even more Americans have come over to the President and Democrats' side.
It is a core of stubborn, extremist Republicans who insist on staying with the failed policies of the past that is threatening to throw the country over the fiscal cliff.
If that happens, taxes go up on 100% of the American people.
The message from the GOP has been: "If you raise taxes on the upper 2%, we will force you to raise taxes on everyone."
Posted - 12/21/2012 12:58:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
"The President has offered compromise after compromise"
Actually, he has not. He's offered some minor twiddling at the margins of the top tax brackets but HE HAS NOT...AND WILL NOT...OFFER ANY REDUCTION IN SPENDING.
All Obama has been willing to do on the spending side is offer what was already put into place and some minor changes in how the accounting is done for debt service. NO actual reductions in the number of dollars. In fact, under Obama's "compromise" spending will continue to increase.
And don't even try to counter with quotes your partisan left web sites. They prove nothing.
Posted - 12/21/2012 2:16:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
direct quotes from REPUBLICANS are "partisan, left wing?"
No wonder the GOP is in such bad shape!
"Plan B" was the Republican, hard line plan. And it failed. The GOP can't even come together with a counter offer to Obama and the Democrats.
How do you expect Obama to negotiate any further than he has if the GOP won't even make a counter offer?
This is why the American people are fed up with the GOP's stand on the fiscal cliff.
If we go over, it will be the GOP's fault.
Posted - 12/21/2012 3:04:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
The GOP HAS MADE
counter offers. Boehner's first proposal was a counter offer to Obama's wholly lopsided intent to gouge successful Americans WITHOUT reining in out-of-control government spending.
And the GOP has sent two...count 'em, TWO...bills to the senate where Harry Reid is sitting on them.
Conversely, it is Obama who has not moved one millimeter on his outrageously one-sided position.
Posted - 12/21/2012 3:23:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
I get it; that's the joke!
Posted - 12/21/2012 3:34:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
This WAS the GOP's "Plan B" offer.
Boehner couldn't even get his own party to agree on what to offer in negotiations.
The GOP is falling apart at the seams and wants to take all America off the fiscal cliff.
Posted - 12/21/2012 3:53:39 PM | show profile | flag this post
Just one simple example
"At the White House, Press Secretary Jay Carney said that Obama's "main priority is to ensure that taxes don't go up on 98 percent of Americans and 97 percent of small businesses," citing statistics associated with Obama's campaign promise to increase top tax rates on households earning more than $250,000 a year."
He campaigned on it--and he won. The voters approved. Get over it. The GOP has said NO--make it $1M. So then the WH came back with a compromise--Let's do $400,000 then. (See, that's what's called a compromise). Republican answer--NO NO and NO.
Obama also has offered more than $800 billion in spending cuts over a decade, half of it from Medicare and Medicaid, $200 billion from farm and other benefit programs, $100 billion from defense and $100 billion from a broad swath of government accounts ranging from parks to transportation to education.
In a key concession to Republicans, the president also has agreed to slow the rise in cost-of-living increases in Social Security and other benefit programs, at a savings estimated at about $130 billion over a decade.
We're talking the so called "entitlements" here--and there are MANY in the presidents owns base that AREN'T happy about it.
But that's what Leadership is all about...making the un-popular decisions when you have to. Now compare and contrast that with the 'Party of NO'--and their Speaker--who can only sum it all up with "God only knows". Thanks for nothing John. Here's a Kleenex.
Posted - 12/21/2012 4:23:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
"See, that's what's called a compromise"
And Obama has offered ZERO compromise. He has not...and will not...offer ANY REAL reduction in spending. In Obama's fantasy world what he dishonestly calls "spending reductions" are, in reality, very minor slowdowns in the rate of spending GROWTH.
Posted - 12/21/2012 5:02:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
Part of the problem with this whole discussion
about the debt, fiscal cliff, etc., is that PEOPLE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT A BILLION DOLLARS IS...OR A TRILLION.
A reasonably intelligent individual could easily work out that if he earns $50,000 annually, a million dollars is what he might earn in 20 years.
But I'd bet that not one in ten realizes that...given the same annual earnings...he'd have to work for 20 THOUSAND years to earn a billion dollars...and 20 MILLION years to earn a trillion.
Even at that the sums are so staggering that fiew can even wrap their minds around them. They don't realize that the farther in debt the country gets...and, make no mistake, Obama's intractability WILL sink the country farther into debt...the greater the long term effect on our children and their children for generations to come.
Posted - 12/21/2012 5:26:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
Let's cut to the chase here
"Part of the problem with this whole discussion..."
Is that you just hate Obama. Cut the crap. "And Obama has offered ZERO compromise". Wrong. I showed you he did--and the voters are behind him. "He has not...and will not...offer ANY REAL reduction in spending" Wrong. $800 billion in spending cuts is a lot of money.
"PEOPLE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT A BILLION DOLLARS IS...OR A TRILLION." Well, Romney and Ryan sure didn't. They're the ones who kept saying they can do billions in tax cuts, spend billions more in defense spending--and it will all balance out by closing some un-named loopholes. Now that's some bad math.
But if want to stick with the Teabaggers over Boehner, defend a totally un-defensible position--knock yourself out. The elephant isn't the GOP logo anymore. It's an ostrich.
Posted - 12/21/2012 6:02:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
You cut straight to the bone, mp...
No matter what Obama does, it'll never be enough for the extremists like cruzo and the TEA Partiers.
But it's only hurting the Republican Party.
The numbers I've cited don't lie. Americans are fed up with the tantrum throwing far right that's now happy to destroy their own party.
They won't offer a plan so there can be compromise. Go ahead, cruzo. What HAS the Republican Party offered in the effort to reach a compromise?
When they refuse to vote on an offer and would rather destroy the country's economy than compromise -- it's pretty clear why America is fed up with the Republican Party.
Posted - 12/21/2012 6:43:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
if we do go over the cliff..and it looks as though we will..
the republicans can kiss control of the house goodbye in 2014..
and control of the senate..
americans told washington in november what they wanted done..the tea party wing of the republican party isn't listening..it'll be their demise..
no great loss..
Posted - 12/21/2012 8:24:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
"and the voters are behind him"
Sadly, some of them are. That's a problem.
The GOP is going to have to develop an education program AND a delivery system that does NOT involve the media, which is so far in the tank for Obama they'd sabotage any attempt to educate the public.
Posted - 12/21/2012 11:06:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
seems to me they already tried the media-free..
thing..during the romney/ryan campaign..
didn't work out so well for them now, did it?