Where is Snowden? (catch-22 reference?)

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beenthere Posted - 6/25/2013 1:05:27 PM | show profile | flag this post

Sometimes cognitive dissonance, which used to be called contradiction, rings a gong so loud it knocks you off your chair.

But if you’re an android in this marvelous world of synthetic reality, you get up, put a smile back on your face, and trudge on…

Let’s see. NSA is the most awesome spying agency ever devised in this world. If you cross the street in Podunk, Anywhere, USA, to buy an ice cream soda, on a Tuesday afternoon in July, they know.

They know if you sit at the counter and drink that soda or take it and move to the only table in the store. They know if you lick the foam from the top of the glass with your tongue or pick the foam with your straw and then lick it.

They know if you keep the receipt for the soda or leave it on the counter.

They know whether you’re wearing shoes or sneakers. They know the brand of your underwear. They know your shaving cream, and precisely which container it came out of.

But this agency, with all its vast power and its dollars…

Can’t track one of its own, a man who came to work every day, a man who made up a story about needing treatment in Hong Kong for epilepsy and then skipped the country.

Just can’t find him.

Can’t find him in Hong Kong, where he does a sit-down video interview with Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian. Can’t find that “safe house” or that “hotel” where he’s staying.

No. Can’t find him or spy on his communications while he’s in Hong Kong. Can’t figure out he’s booked a flight to Russia. Can’t intercept him at the airport before he leaves for Russia . Too difficult.

And this man, this employee, is walking around with four laptops that contain the keys to all the secret spying knowledge in the known cosmos.

Can’t locate those laptops. Can’t hack into them to see what’s there. Can’t access the laptops or the data. The most brilliant technical minds of this or any other generation can find a computer in Outer Mongolia in the middle of a blizzard, but these walking-around computers in Hong Kong are somehow beyond reach.

And before this man, Snowden, this employee, skipped Hawaii, he was able to access the layout of the entire US intelligence network. Yes. He was able to use a thumb drive.

He walked into work with a thumb drive, plugged in, and stole…everything. He stole enough to “take down the entire US intelligence network in a single afternoon.”

Not only that, but anyone who worked at this super-agency as an analyst, as a systems-analyst supervisor, could have done the same thing. Could have stolen the keys to the kingdom.

This is why NSA geniuses with IQs over 180 have decided, now, in the midst of the Snowden affair, that they need to draft “tighter rules and procedures” for their employees. Right.

Now, a few pieces of internal of security they hadn’t realized they needed before will be put in place.

This is, let me remind you, the most secretive spying agency in the world. The richest spying agency. The smartest spying agency.

But somehow, over the years, they’d overlooked this corner of their own security. They’d left a door open, so that any one of their own analysts could steal everything.

Could take it all. Could just snatch it away and copy it and store it on a few laptops.

But now, yes now, having been made aware of this vulnerability, the agency will make corrections.


And reporters for elite US media don’t find any of this hard to swallow.

A smart sixth-grader could see through this tower of fabricated baloney in a minute, but veteran grizzled reporters are clueless.

Last night, on Charley Rose, in an episode that left me breathless, a gaggle of pundits/newspeople warned that Ed Snowden, walking around with those four laptops, could be an easy target for Chinese spies or Russian spies who could get access to the data on those computers. The spies could just hack in.

But the NSA can’t. No. The NSA can’t find out what Snowden has. They can only speculate.

The tightest and strong

cruiser Posted - 6/25/2013 4:34:14 PM | show profile | flag this post

Look at this rationally for a moment

Edward Snowden is a ruse. The reason the NSA...with its vast power and ability to see into every corner of the world..can't find Snowden is because it's a non-issue...there is no threat to the US and THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT THIS CHARADE TO END.

Look what it's done: It's taken news of Obama's scandals and the committees investigating them completely out of the news cycle. The coverage of the IRS, the DOJ, Benghazi and the FBI ended the moment the news of Edward Snowden's "treason" hit the media.

My guess he no more has four laptops loaded with all the vital secrets of the country than Obama will win two more terms as president.

The timing of this thing was FAR too convenient...just when Obama was being battered by both the right and the left...and when it seemed that the shenanigans being pulled by his administration were about to come back and bite him hard.

I'd bet they're going to milk this thing for every ounce of mendacious publicity they can get from it. I just hope the Oversight and Government Reform committee, the Ways and Means committee and the others investigating this administration will not lose their focus and will stay the course after this Snowden thing dies down.

If Snowden really were a turncoat in Hong Kong the Chinese Red Army would have scooped him right up and he'd be incommunicado right now somewhere in a "camp" in the interior of China. And can you really picture Vladimir Putin allowing Snowden to sit unmolested in the Moscow airport for hours while he allegedly has information that would useful to him?

And I'd bet there are some complicit media types who are well aware of this but are covering the administration's collective backside.

orthicon Posted - 6/25/2013 4:39:42 PM | show profile | flag this post

well, i guess congratulations are in order, cruiztwit..

you have apparently been named the world champion in the "let's start a really stupid, paranoid conspiracy theory" contest..

or, alternatively, you have become what I've thought you are for some time now..

seriously, clinically insane..

mpdodgson Posted - 6/25/2013 6:45:41 PM | show profile | flag this post


"the most secretive spying agency in the world. The richest spying agency. The smartest spying agency." DOESN'T tell beenthere what it's doing. Well, that's a 'Bourne movie sequel' if I ever heard of one.

The truth is out there!! And who better than cruise to ge t to the bottom of it!! It's a TRAP!! "Edward Snowden is a ruse"!! cruise knows (he KNOWS!! Hear me?!?!) he knows how "the Chinese Red Army" and Putin operates!! cruise has seen every James Bond movie out there!! He knows!!

Not only that...You mean there's more??....YES!!..."there are some complicit media types who are well aware of this but...." GOTCHA librul media, you're all in on it....

Sad. Pathetic. The Black Helicopters and Obamas SS are out there...

cruiser Posted - 6/25/2013 8:01:26 PM | show profile | flag this post

Notice that when he doesn't have a cogent response

(and that's most of the time) he always goes for sarcasm, exaggeration, hyperbole and personal attacks.

Logic supports my hypothesis. In order to accept the Edward Snowden scenario as presented one would have to exhibit...in Hillary's words..."a willing suspension of disbelief."

orthicon Posted - 6/25/2013 8:11:57 PM | show profile | flag this post

mp doesn't have a "cogent response" because..

there is no "cogent response" possible to such a load of pure, unadulterated horseshit..

you're sick, cruiser.. get help..seriously..

cruster Posted - 6/25/2013 8:23:15 PM | show profile | flag this post

All a Conspiracy

Here's the latest.

"Former U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner leads City Council Speaker Christine Quinn in the race for New York City’s Democratic mayoral nomination for the first time, snatching the frontrunner mantle as the contest heads into the final months before the primary, the latest survey from The Wall Street Journal-NBC New York-Marist showed."


Don't you see? Obama sends Snowden to draw attention away from the scandals that weren't, which in turn allows Weiner to take the lead in the NY mayor's race, which forces the GOP to agree to gun control, followed by death panels killing off all opposition to immigration reform, so our borders open up flooding the country with new Democrat voters who fluoridate our water.

Can't you see the connection?

mpdodgson Posted - 6/25/2013 9:25:25 PM | show profile | flag this post

"he doesn't have a cogent response"

TO WHAT?!? The insane babbling of a neurotic psychotic paranoid ahole?? Seriously....drop back ten yards and think about this...

It's bad enough that we all have lived thru the "cruiser Hall of Shame"

'Obama is a Socialist—and shares characteristics of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. He caused the Great Economic Recession of 2008 before he entered the WH. Obama and Jimmy Carter are to blame for the Housing Default Crisis. Returning Vets with PTSD "may be trying to game the system". "the objective of a military rifle is NOT to kill but to wound". And we'll keep talking about the infamous IRS Commissioner 157 visits which turned out to be 11..."Odumbo a few days ago said something about bring 5,000 Syrian refugees here" Another lie which he didn't take back...but if I keep posting op-eds and bloggers that are as crazy as I am, someday, someone, somewhere, they will listen to me...!!

So...back on topic...Of course I have a "cogent response" to you...You honest to God think the whole Snowden/NSA scandal is an Obamo plot. The response is simple: You're a nutcase.

cruiser Posted - 6/25/2013 9:52:06 PM | show profile | flag this post

See what I mean?


orthicon Posted - 6/25/2013 11:33:40 PM | show profile | flag this post

sorry, cruiztwit.. but he's absolutely correct..

you've gone completely over the edge..

after that diatribe, no one on any of these boards will ever again take anything you have to say seriously..

deal with it.

cruiser Posted - 6/27/2013 10:35:06 AM | show profile | flag this post

Obama says he won't be

"scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker"...says he hasn't called either China or Russia about Snowden.

Of course not. The media's coverage of the Snowden affair is doing exactly what Obama wants...taking the White House's scandals completely out of the news. Why would the president do anything to change the situation?


Grateful Deadline Posted - 6/28/2013 11:37:44 AM | show profile | flag this post

Hey, guys -- beenthere neglected to link the original post to its source.

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