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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 9/11/2012 1:31:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
Care to back that up with facts, cruzo...
Our military spending is dropping because we finished a war in Iraq (a war Romney refused to mention in his Acceptance Speech). We're also winding down the war in Afghanistan (a war Romney refused to mention in his Acceptance Speech).
Clinton increased spending on intel of terrorist organizations by more than 1,000% during his administration. I was in the Congressional hearing room when Bush's Paul Wolfowitz told Congress members that was too much money (in July, 2001) that could be better spent elsewhere.
A friend of mine in the office of the Army Chief of Staff tells about the Bush appointee who hit the roof when Congress (led by Democrats) pushed the DoD to pay for body armor for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. His reaction was that if troops wanted body armor, they should have to pay for it out of their own pockets (a pair of Sailors I know sent to Iraq for a two week TDY did have to buy their own ammo in 2006).
The Reagan military build up was outlined and started by the Carter administration -- and Reagan fought to kill two key elements of it: Stealth technology and cruise missiles -- two of the most important pieces of technology in our arsenal today.
And more than 125,000 veterans and their spouses have found jobs through Michelle Obama's "Joining Forces" initiative.
The cons here like to pay lip service to the troops -- but nothing else.
Let's just look at what YOU, cruzo, had to say about our wounded warriors:
-- cruiser Posted - 5/30/2012 12:24:12 AM
"[T]he younger veterans...those returning from Iraq and Afghanistan...are leaning more toward Obama. THE REASON IS THAT FULLY ONE HALF OF THEM ARE SEEKING DISABILITY. Of course, they are more likely to receive it under Obama's entitlement society.
[T]he inflated numbers suggest many are trying to game the system."
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 9/11/2012 1:49:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
textbook cruise;
QUOTING HIM is "making sh*t up and throwing it against the wall". You said what you said. Own up to it.
"mexico"??? "It's heeee-larious watching the left wrap themselves around the flag and our troops". Uh, supporting the troops and their families have been a mission of both the First Lady and Dr/Mrs Biden from Day one. And--as it has been said before, if you rea'supported the troops--you wouldn't haven't sent them into harms way for no good friggin reason in the first place.
Back to cruise; "Democrats are the ones who are always cutting the defense budget and hamstringing our military and intelligence agencies."
Republican SecDefs Rumsfeld and Gates BOTH tried to trim the Pentagon budget of things the military didn't need, and didn't want...and I applaud those efforts. Everyone does. They were trying to prevent the Congressmen with ties to Defense contractors to bloat the budget. The "hamstring" part is particularly funny--considering the Pentagon fired so many much needed Arabic translators simply because they were Gay.
We are ENDING the Bush Wars--and you certainly can't fight the 'War on Terror' with billion dollar submarines, aircraft, aircraft carriers, and nuclear tipped missiles designed for WWIII. That immense amount of money can be better spent and utilized. Wake up. It's 2012--not 1980.
Besides all that--the fantasyland of Romneys budget plans--$2 billion for Defense, $5 billion in tax cuts--and it will all be COST FREE and not add to the deficit??? Now that's pandering.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 9/11/2012 1:56:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
dogson is all dd-oo-uu-bb-ll-ee-tt-aa-ll-kk...and none of it true.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 9/11/2012 2:18:02 PM | show profile | flag this post
How? Show me.
Show me where you didn't say "[T]he younger veterans...those returning from Iraq and Afghanistan...are leaning more toward Obama. THE REASON IS THAT FULLY ONE HALF OF THEM ARE SEEKING DISABILITY. Of course, they are more likely to receive it under Obama's entitlement society.
[T]he inflated numbers suggest many are trying to game the system."
And show me where Romney details how he can cut taxes and increase Pentagon spending cost-free? Show me where even Republican SecDefs haven't tried to cut Defense projects??
and mexico?? Show me where the Dems haven't supported the troops? C'mon guys.
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 9/11/2012 2:25:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
Romney's ignoring the troops...
in his Acceptance Speech, then telling FOX News he left them out because they and their contributions were not "important" is hurting Romney big time.
From right-leaning POLITICO:
"Romney -- whose convention speech didn't include a salute to the troops or a reference to Afghanistan, where about 75,000 Americans are still at war -- is getting hit almost daily now by Democratic attacks that he is wobbly and therefore untrustworthy on national security. It's the same critique Republicans used to undermine Kerry to devastating effect eight years ago -- and the Obama campaign plans to use the run-up to the presidential debates to make a major issue of Romney's surprising convention stumble."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81017.html?hp=t1
There you have it: Romney on a Swiftboat to defeat!
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| cruiser |
Posted - 9/11/2012 3:16:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
"How? Show me."
Who do you think you are? If you want to discuss these topics civilly and rationally, I'm right there. But don't even try to pull something like that.
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| cdnreprtr |
Posted - 9/11/2012 3:35:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
I very much doubt a person..
... Who argues that soldiers, seeking medical care at a time of war, are "gaming" government "entitlements" could be expected to have any civil discussion.
Those are your words. Nothing there to misconstrue.
I'd expect you to be protesting outside a VA hospital calling wounded warriors "leeches" and demanding cutbacks.
Sickening.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 9/11/2012 4:26:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
What's the problem?
"How? Show me."
"Who do you think you are? If you want to discuss these topics civilly and rationally, I'm right there. But don't even try to pull something like that."
Pull something like what?? I asked you to "show me" where you didn't say that--where you didn't insult the returning troops?? Which you did, And you're somehow affronted by that??
I asked you to show me how the last two Republican SecDefs didn't try to cut back on wasteful spending...And you're somehow affronted by that??
What's going on here is that we are pitting your own statements against yourself--and you're affronted. I'm not "pulling' anything.
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| orthicon |
Posted - 9/11/2012 4:26:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
mp.. cruiztwit can't "show you" anything..
because it doesn't exist..
like almost everything else he says, it comes out of his rectal orifice..he's totally unable to back up a single allegation he makes..
because he always trips over inconvenient things like..
you know..
facts..
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| cruiser |
Posted - 9/11/2012 5:30:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
"we are pitting your own statements against you..."
Oh-so-innocently taking my comments WAY out of context...and they know it. These radicals are about as innocent as the fox that's opening the door to the henhouse.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 9/11/2012 9:32:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
WAY out of context?????
"[T]he younger veterans...those returning from Iraq and Afghanistan...are leaning more toward Obama. THE REASON IS THAT FULLY ONE HALF OF THEM ARE SEEKING DISABILITY. Of course, they are more likely to receive it under Obama's entitlement society.
[T]he inflated numbers suggest many are trying to game the system."
Exactly WHAT kind of context could that possible be in?
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| cruiser |
Posted - 9/11/2012 11:24:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
You read the original post
and...for a change...got the words in the correct order when you "quoted" it. You KNOW what the context was...and, pal, what you posted in this thread ain't it..
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 9/12/2012 10:14:20 AM | show profile | flag this post
The context was...
that wounded warriors are "gaming the system."
Those were YOUR words, cruzo.
Your disdain for the troops must be part of the current GOP DNA -- because your man, Romney, was the first Republican nominee in generations who FAILED to mention the troops during his acceptance speech.
And the way you're digging in YOUR heels to defend him and your own indefensible slur against our wounded warriors speaks volumes about your disdain.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 9/12/2012 3:10:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
That's YOUR egregiously politically motivated interpretation
and it's totally wrong, pal.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 9/12/2012 3:28:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
This remains
one of the dumbest threads I've seen here. It is only a VERY desperate partisan who would start such a thread.
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 9/12/2012 3:49:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm not surprised that someone...
like cruzo, who's accused our wounded warriors of "gaming the system" would consider a thread about the importance of our military to be "one of the dumbest" he's ever seen.
But Romney's campaign doesn't consider it dumb. Nor do the Republican pundits who think leaving out all mentions of our troops AND a war we happen to be fighting was a major campaign blunder for Romney.
He's been in damage control mode ever since -- only worsened by his huge implosion on the non-apology for the embassy attack (how exactly is sending in the Marines an "apology?).
Romney has not only ceded foreign policy experience to Obama -- Romney has shown he's incapable of leading the U.S. on the world stage.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 9/12/2012 4:07:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
Have you ever seen
a more imaginative and politically motivated fairy tale?
Since etwinkie appears to be tightly wired into the left wing talking points, one can logically assume all Democrats are thinking similar things.
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| orthicon |
Posted - 9/12/2012 5:39:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
cruiztwit's idiocy is showing for real now..
romney said what he said..it's there on the record.. there on the digital record..
there's no way he can go back and retract it..however much crtuiztwit and his ilk would wish it otherwise..
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 9/13/2012 8:32:45 AM | show profile | flag this post
Romney has been hammered by his own party...
for ignoring the troops -- then implying to FOX News that their contributions were "not important."
Now, Romney is trying to score political points by politicizing the deaths of Americans in Libya.
The man has demonstrated he has no respect for our troops and no shame.
Romney has also proven he is unfit to serve as Commander in Chief.
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