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Why the Sudden Rush to Defund Obamacare?
Posted - 7/26/2013 3:36:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
Turns out the Republican Party, which has put all of its political eggs in the one basket of saying Obamacare is evil, are afraid people will like it -- and vote Democratic in 2014.
"The fear is that the law will start to work and people will like it. They'll like having insurance, a safety net if you lose your job. Then Republicans are stuck with it," [Norm] Ornstein [of the CONSERVATIVE American Enterprise Institute ]said.
Posted - 7/26/2013 3:51:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want Obamacare repealed
(CBS News) A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.
According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it.
republicans are doing what most people want- repeal of obamacare.....
you can post conservative in big letters all day long. won't change the fact norm is aei's token liberal, and obamacare supporter.
and the wheels on the bus go round and round.......
Posted - 7/26/2013 3:58:05 PM | show profile | flag this post
And, con, as Ornstein pointed out...
on October 1, their opinions are likely going to shift in favor of Obamacare when all the doom and gloom claims of the GOP fail to materialize, millions of Americans suddenly have health insurance and millions more have a safety net if they lose their job.
There's a lot of panic over people shifting opinions on Obamacare. Republicans are even talking about shutting down the government in an attempt to defund Obamacare.
That would be another disaster for the Republicans and could even put the House in play for the Democrats.
May be time to figure out a new issue for Republicans to run on in 2014.
But keep going with this one, con.
Posted - 7/26/2013 4:01:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
big labor's chicks coming home to roost
IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare
Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers
Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:
When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.
Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.
Now this vision has come back to haunt us.
Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies.
Posted - 7/26/2013 4:18:41 PM | show profile | flag this post
Keep it up, con...
you've got until October 1.
Then people find out what a lie the GOP has been pedaling.
Not only will millions like the benefits of Obamacare -- millions more will know that the GOP has been lying to them for three years.
That isn't going to sit well with voters.
Keep ticking 'em off, con! You're helping the Democratic Party with your attitude! Keep it up!
Posted - 7/26/2013 4:37:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
"doom and gloom claims of the GOP fail to materialize"
doom and gloom is already upon us- jobs lost, hours cut, families forced off their plans, families forced to find new doctors, rising cost, obamacare adding to the deficit, and let us not forget the double digit increase in premiums that's coming in 2014...
all things republicans said would happen.
support among moderate and conservative democrats for obamacare is falling. just 46% of moderate and conservative democrats support obamacare- down from a high of 76%.
Moderate Democrats are quitting on Obamacare
using lib talking points will dumb you down. so try facts.
Posted - 7/26/2013 5:10:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
Talk to people who do the actual medical billing.
They know EXACTLY what is going to happen.
They've been attending workshops and seminars to truly understand what will happen between the healthcare facilities where they work and the insurance companies that they will be dealing with daily.
The medical billers understand what it means for patient care -- WHERE services must be rendered, WHO must order the service, etc., so facilities will be compliant.
It is truly frightening and I wish I had known more about it sooner.
It will impact patient care in a very, very negative way.
Again, talk to a MEDICAL BILLER.
Follow the money trail, literally, to find the truth.
Posted - 7/26/2013 7:53:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
Flown in by black helicopters!!
Funny how unpopular Obamacare is and how popular the individual portions of it are.
Maybe the GOP is afraid it will WORK!!!!
Posted - 7/27/2013 1:24:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
The original poster of this thread is dumb as a box of rocks
Businesses are getting waivers from Obamacare, as are unions and government agencies...even the IRS, the very agency charged with overseeing its implementation.
It is bad law, will drive health care prices through the roof and will not cover most of the people it was touted to cover.
Posted - 7/27/2013 2:00:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
Strange bedfellows again
the right wingers always portrayed 'Unions' as a cross between an army of fire ants and concentration camp guards. (Remember Wisconsin?). Now all of the sudden Jimmy Hoffa and those guys are AOKay--because the enemy of my enemy...
Luckily, not everyone in the GOP is brain dead. Good piece yesterday in TPM: "The GOP push to hold government funding hostage to gutting Obamacare appears to be losing steam in Congress as a growing chorus of Republicans and conservative writers are coming out of the woodwork to urge hardliners within their party to be realistic.
“I think it’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of,” Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) told reporters in the Capitol on Thursday. “Listen, as long as Barack Obama is president, the Affordable Care Act is going to be law.”
Republicans in the House and Senate are working to corner colleagues into withholding support for keeping government open after the lights go out on Sept. 30 unless Obamacare is defunded. And a growing number of pragmatic conservatives — in and out of Congress — recognize that’s a suicide mission that threatens the GOP’s credibility as well as its electoral prospects ahead of a promising midterm election.
In recent days, Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK), a deputy majority whip, has derided the conservative effort as a “temper tantrum” and compared it to “blackmail.” Appearing Wednesday evening on Fox News, he warned that “it is the sort of thing that creates a backlash and could cost the Republicans the majority in the House.”
In the Senate, a letter by Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) demanding Obamacare be defunded in a government funding or debt limit bill actually lost signatories, after some senators reportedly dropped off — including Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX). After initially leaking word that the letter had at least 15 signatories, the final version was released Thursday by Lee’s office with 11 GOP signatories — Sens. Lee, Marco Rubio (FL), Ted Cruz (TX), James Risch (ID), Rand Paul (KY), James Inhofe (OK), David Vitter (LA), John Thune (SD), Jeff Chiesa (NJ), Mike Enzi (WY), Deb Fischer (NE), and Chuck Grassley (IA).
“[W]e believe the only way to avert disaster is to fully repeal ObamaCare..."
(What was that definition of 'Insanity' again??)
Posted - 7/27/2013 2:14:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
interesting that mike lee couldn't even get his pet dog..
rep. Jason chaffetz, to go along with that idiocy..chaffetz is normally even more right wing than lee..wonder what happened?
even so, that pair are a massive stain on the body politic of my home state of utah..
Posted - 7/27/2013 2:17:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
All of the smoke, mirrors and arm-waving doesn't change
the FACT that businesses are getting waivers as are unions and government agencies. They must see something seriously wrong with Obamacare.
Posted - 7/27/2013 6:01:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** They must see something seriously wrong with Obamacare. ***
Or a flaw in their own business models.
Posted - 7/27/2013 8:36:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
if republicans trry to ride this horse in 2014..
and I devoutly hope they do..they will lose the house, and the senate might just turn up with 60 democrats..
a bold prediction, I know..but mark my words..
Posted - 7/28/2013 9:37:32 AM | show profile | flag this post
Boy, this is embarrassing...
For republicans that is. Obamacare was based off an idea first pedaled by Nixon that was conceived by the Heritage Foundation and was implemented by Mitt Romney. Now the repubs are running from it like the plague because dems embraced it. Con, you are an idiot. The reason people are seeing hours cut and jobs lost is because businesses want to make a statement that they are against it. The plan hasn't even gone into effect and they are crying poverty already. What a surprise. Repubs would have more credibility on this issue if they actually had an alternate plan. All they have done is worked as hard as they can to defeat the measure, then when it passed they have voted nearly 40 times to repeal it. That's why we need to get rid of Boner and Cantor. These idiots can't do anything except try to get in the way of progress. I'm not even a fan of Obamacare. We should have gone with universal health care but that will have to wait. In the meantime, health insurance rates are already coming down (50% in New York) and people who were never able to qualify for coverage because of preexisting conditions are now getting insurance. The fact you are against this shows how intense your political hatred is for Obama. People are being helped and you would rather see them die than have Obama get any credit. Now there is the party of Christianity for you.
Posted - 7/28/2013 10:01:04 AM | show profile | flag this post
I don't know a single Republican...and I know a lot of them
who bases his/her opposition to Obamacare on a personal hatred of Obama. The objections are that Obamacare is too expensive, too intrusive, too formulaic, upends the entire health care system of the US and doesn't cover many of the people it was touted to cover.
Businesses, labor unions and govenment agencies are doing everything they can to avoid Obamacare and are asking for waivers. This extends even to the IRS...the agency charged with overseeing the implementation of it.
Rather than replacing a system that works well this abomination, why not allow the existing system to be modified to be cost effective and extend coverage to those who previously had no coverage?
That would seem to be the most intelligent approach...build off of what is already in place and working.
Posted - 7/28/2013 11:10:07 AM | show profile | flag this post
Sorry cruise; I simply don't believe you.
It is my firm belief that one of your main reasons for 'being' is your personal hatred of Obama.
It's been pointed out ad nauseum that ObamaCare is in reality old Republican plans recycled. But NOW it's evil. Wonder why.
I don't give a frack how many people have applied/received waivers. What exactly does that prove anyway? That's like so many businesses (and people) manage to avoid paying income tax--so let's just scrap that whole idea because it obviously doesn't work.
It's also been pointed out repeatedly that when people are asked about the individual parts of ObamaCare; they're all for it. They're just scared of the name (Of course 1 in 7 polled think the SCOTUS already repealed it, so so much for polls).
Thanks to the parts that have been implemented already, "Healthcare Costs Fell for First Time in Almost 40 Years", and that's from the Lib rag WSJ.
Here's where you logic (if there ever was any) completely falls apart: "Rather than replacing a system that works well" You CAN'T be serious. You actually believe we've had a Health system in this country that worked well? That's insane...even the Repubs who want to 'replace' ObamaCare with something else say that's because the current system was horrible.
Besides that...since ObamaCare was passed by an elected Congress, signed by the President, and certified by the Supreme Court---"build off of what is already in place and working."
WE AGREE. Do what you can to improve ObamaCare then. That's what is already in place and working. Threatening to shut down the entire Government unless you your 40th useless vote--that's beyond irresponsible.
Posted - 7/28/2013 12:25:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** Rather than replacing a system that works well this abomination, why not allow the existing system to be modified to be cost effective and extend coverage to those who previously had no coverage? ***
mp, didn't you catch the drift? In this sentence, cruiser says the current system works well except that it's cost-ineffective and people can't obtain coverage.
Posted - 7/28/2013 1:42:50 PM | show profile | flag this post
Give it up, you idiot
You can't argue with what I've posted so you try to redefine the language. Typical of you...dearie.
Posted - 7/28/2013 1:46:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
And for those who might be tempted
to give mp's bullsh*t a look, note that he doesn't respond in context. He tries to parse and fragment my post, changing the context of those small fragments, becasue he cannot...CANNOT...argue with it as posted.
Posted - 7/28/2013 3:25:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
there's a reason for that, cruiztwit..
it's because the stuff you write is so blatantly idiotic that it's impossible to respond to..we dissolve in helpless laughter halfway through.. or less..
but we know the Koch brothers pay you well to disseminate their crap.so have it it..we all have to eat...
Posted - 7/28/2013 3:45:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
Of course we can argue with it
Look at the flow of logic here (and I use the term loosely)
Every aware, knowledgeable, and informed person involved in health care in this country has been saying for DECADES the system's broken. From doctors to patients to insurance people to politicians. The best and richest country in the world is absolutely horrible when it comes to taking care of it's own.
So don't you even try to blubber that I took you out of context cruise. "Rather than replacing a system that works well..." That's what you said, and that's not even close to reality.
So some responsible pols get it in their minds to fix things. And Gosh darn it, some were even Repubs.
The Nixon Admin proposed a universal health-care plan. In the 2000s, Romney used the individual mandate to make Massachusetts the first state to actually achieve near-universal coverage. In 2007, UberTeabagger Jim DeMint told president Bush "pass legislation that would “ensure that all Americans would have affordable, quality, private health coverage. We believe the health care system cannot be fixed without providing solutions for everyone. Otherwise, the costs of those without insurance will continue to be shifted to those who do have coverage.”
What a Commie Socialist. Anyway...we finally get something passed, and signed into law. And Republican amendments were added to the ObamaCare package. And it's working. And it's saving tons 'o money. but ...but ...but...yea, we get it. Good idea then--the end of the US of A now. Whole Republic will fall. Death of the Const (as Beck put it).
So exactly how Skippy did I take you out of context? You're either arguing that the old system 'worked well'...which is insane..or you're arguing we should improve the 'current' system to even make it better..and that sytem is (whether you like it or not) ObamaCare.
(Nah. Let's just waste even more taxpayer time and money and go for another vote..OR even better!! Let's shut the whole government down for a week or two. That'll show 'em!!)
Posted - 7/28/2013 4:39:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** there's a reason for that, cruiztwit..
it's because the stuff you write is so blatantly idiotic that it's impossible to respond to..we dissolve in helpless laughter halfway through.. or less.. ***
I laughed out loud at "Rather than replacing a system that works well this abomination, why not allow the existing system to be modified to be cost effective and extend coverage to those who previously had no coverage?"
Darn those low-paid weekend scriptwriters!
Posted - 7/28/2013 4:48:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Every aware, knowledgeable, and informed person..."
No. That's absolutely untrue.
Our current health care system (and I say "current" because Obamacare has NOT been fully implemented...and, in fact, PROBABLY WON'T be fully implemented. It is a bastardized system that has driven up costs, jeopardized patient care, added materially to the already bloated government bureacracy and compromised the privacy of medical records. And it is a system from which many, many businesses, labor unions and government agencies are getting waivers. They see the coming problems...why do you refuse to understand that?)
Our CURRENT health care system (NOT Obamacare) is the best on Earth...with some minor exceptions that could be easily remedied. The government could permit negotiating the costs of pharmaceuticals, it could mandate real portability, mandate coverage for pre-existing conditions, mandate country-wide competition between insurers, and a small handful of other measures that would materially improve it and address the concerns of the insured.
There is NO NEED to tear down our entire health care system and replace it with a socialized, government-centric scheme...the likes of which has never been fully successful anywhere it has been tried.
The reference to "exchanges" is a temporary measure that attempts to make the socialization of health care acceptable to free market devotees, who make up a significant percentage of the US populace. It would eventually be replaced by a government-controlled single-payer system that would hold every citizen hostage to the whims of politicians.
But you are too gullible to see that...and apparently too partisan to fear it.
Posted - 7/28/2013 5:43:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
You truly are insanely blind.
"Our CURRENT health care system (NOT Obamacare) is the best on Earth...with some minor exceptions..." Like...say...sick and dying people??
NO ONE believes that except you and your fellow head-in-sand dwellers. "Boehner says U.S. health care system is best in world" was ripped apart by every fact-checker. The U.S. is among the leaders, if not No. 1, in medical research and pharmaceutical development....NOT health care. Big difference.
World Health Organization's ranked the United States as the 37th best health care system out of 191 countries. We spend at least -- at least -- 53 percent more on health care per capita than any other nation in the developed world. We've got the fourth worst rate for infant mortality in the OECD. The United States is third-to-last in terms of mortality for children under 20, and it's 12th from the bottom when it comes to child suicide. We have the second-highest teen birth rate. We're eighth from last on overall life expectancy at birth, and we're tied with Slovenia for third-worst place in terms of doctor density -- a count of how many doctors are available per 1,000 citizens.
Bottom 10 in nations by number of doctors per 1,000 citizens. In 2009, we were in fourth-to-last place in terms of health insurance coverage rates-- ahead of Chile, Mexico, and Turkey, but behind the Slovak Republic, Estonia, and Poland. As a percentage of total health expenditures, we rank seventh when it comes to prioritizing preventive care. It goes on and on and on...
Thos eare just a few sources (and they have reports within the reports. Or you can Google 'US healthcare NOT the best in the world' and come up with another half billion sources. What do you have cruise....but but but Socialism!!
You really really want to actually improve the Health Care system we have NOW? Fine. Then urge your Congressmen to work with the WH to improve, tweak, and streamline ObamaCare any way we can. That would be productive.