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Why the Sudden Rush to Defund Obamacare?
Posted - 7/29/2013 4:07:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** But somehow both of you were exceedingly curious about how much I pay.
Still more interesting is that neither of them posted any interest at all in how much you pay.
How did you know they were thinking this?
Posted - 7/29/2013 4:18:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
beenthere; I apologize
If you think I was being harsh, or too personal as to your private affairs. Not my intention.
I'm looking at the broader picture. When you said "I think it's going to depend on how much consumers will be pay for insurance....how well people will accept it.", I responded with "All in the eye of the beholder"
If you have NO insurance at all, and it's been that way for years...any help is appreciated. As anyone can see, millions upon millions of people are people are being helped now. You said you were covered. Many others aren't....if that's hurling assumptions at you I stand corrected.
I don't care how much you pay, and it's none of my business. I agree with you; "BOTTOM LINE: Once the cost hits, people will have a better idea of whether they like it or not." That's true--but people who have needed help or had little or nothing in the first place have already decided that.
Again, I apologize if you think it was personal, I was thinking in terms of generalities.
Posted - 7/29/2013 5:38:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
Here's where the liberal talking points fail
Nobody...NOBODY...has been without health care in this country. Hospitals DO NOT turn away anyone who needs treatment..period.
Posted - 7/29/2013 5:49:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
Let's not change the subject AGAIN, shall we?
The issue is health insurance -- paying for health care.
Posted - 7/29/2013 5:57:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
cruiser, I'm astounded that you think Obamacare is about the *availability* of health care. Are you not aware of the Hippocratic Oath -- which make the Arizona proposal to deny health care to certain individuals such a crock?
Posted - 7/29/2013 6:02:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm disgusted that the guy who holds himself up as the (false) pillar of conservatism hasn't been spouting off all this time without knowing what Obamacare addresses.
Posted - 7/29/2013 6:03:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm disgusted that the guy who holds himself up as the (false) pillar of conservatism has been spouting off all this time without knowing what Obamacare addresses.
Posted - 7/29/2013 8:45:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
The ER is not Health Care
It's your last resort. What part of "emergency" escapes people?
And of course it's not free. You still get a bill when you go to the ER.
ALL first world countries have systems where the citizenry can access healthcare. CNN reported that of all bankruptcies in the US, 60% were due to medical bills. In other first world countries, ZERO. And of course the rest of us eventually pick up the tab for those who can't pay anything.
As for the care; one Dr put it this way: If you're in labor, that's one thing. But there's no pre-natal care. And..."If they are saying that we have universal access if we're acutely having a heart attack, then I suppose there's truth to that as well. But there's no such access for lipid panels, stress tests or prescriptions for cholesterol medications that might help you avoid the heart attack in the first place.
If you're acutely obstructed by massively advanced colon cancer, it's likely you can get emergency surgery to end the blockage. But your cancer is likely too far advanced to cure at that point. Moreover, you're not going to get chemotherapy in the emergency department nor could you have gotten the colonoscopy that might have detected the cancer far earlier.
You can't get preventive care in the emergency department. You can't get screened for a host of disorders. You can't get treatment for your depression there or really for any chronic mental disorders. You can't get help with your child's autism, ADHD or developmental delay."
(There are other examples, but you get the point. Anyone who even tries to say we don't need the Affordable Care Act because you can always go to the ER needs to get their head examined. And please see your own Dr for that)
Posted - 7/30/2013 8:46:51 AM | show profile | flag this post
After all these years
...and all the ways that emergency-care-is-health-care as a concept has been shown to be ridiculously bad and over-the-top expensive as "health care"...the idea that some are STILL using it is an attempt to make an argument against Obamacare...is just stunning. The bizarre knots that some folks tie themselves into to believe anything against Obama would be amusing, were it not so prevalent, and did it not have such dire results.
40 votes now to repeal Obamacare, costing into the tens of millions of dollars for the votes themselves...and this from the party of fiscal responsibility.
Posted - 7/30/2013 10:15:21 AM | show profile | flag this post
so in review-
majority of americans want obamacare repealed.
big labor wants obamacare repealed.
small business owners want obamacare repealed.
when republicans said obamacare would -
cause increases in premiums
add to the deficit
cost more than obama claimed
republicans were right......
obama said "if you like your insurance, you can keep it" he was lying.
obama said "you won't be forced to find a new doctor" he was lying.
yet troo-beleevers still beleeverate obamacare is the greatest thing since jfk.
but oct. 1 will be here soon. the left tell us that is the day american will love obamacare.
that is the day americans will see obama has troo-beleevers see obama-has their messiah.
Posted - 7/30/2013 11:42:56 AM | show profile | flag this post
Thanks for the clarification, beenthere...
and you are right, the pocketbook issue WILL be a huge factor.
That's what I was saying in the initial post on this thread -- that Republicans are now seeing the numbers shaping up and are convinced Americans will like the "pocketbook issues" that Obamacare addresses.
Posted - 7/30/2013 1:06:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's always interesting...and more than a little humorous...
to see the left wingers on here deny the unvarnished facts and see everthing through their liberal-colored glasses.
Posted - 7/30/2013 2:12:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
forgot to mention only 46% of moderate/conservative democrats approve of obamacare.
"the left wingers on here deny the unvarnished facts and see everthing through their liberal-colored glasses."
it's what troo-beleevers do.
look at poor etaoin shrdlu. he thought he found a "CONSERVATIVE" that was criticizing republicans and calling them out for being scared......
if only etaoin would have googled norm ornstein, .......
Posted - 7/30/2013 2:21:15 PM | show profile | flag this post
"unvarnished facts" Right.
Going to the ER because you have no choice, that's JUSt like having adequate affordable health care. For anyone in this day and age who still believes that is jaw-dropping in it's stupidity.
Of course cruise, you could prove me wrong. You could easily validate your "Here's where the liberal talking points fail...Nobody...NOBODY...has been without health care in this country. Hospitals DO NOT turn away anyone who needs treatment..period."
Just tell us how you and your family have never ever ever been to a Doctor. In fact--tell us you don't even HAVE a Doctor/PCP and never have. You've never had a "screening" of any kind, never had a "procedure" of any kind, and no one in the family has ever had a health checkup, pre-natal, cancer, immunizations, etc etc...
No? Then I take it all back. Yes? Then you're wrong. It's that simple.
Posted - 7/30/2013 2:38:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
the "unvarnished fact" is that Republicans are sh!t!ng a brick that once Obamacare takes effect October 1, all those GOP talking points con listed as "facts" will be deflated and the people will love it.
Why else are Republicans talking about shutting down the government for the sole reason of keeping Obamacare from taking effect?
Posted - 7/30/2013 3:06:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Republicans talking about shutting down the government"
Nope. That's a left wing lie for the purpose of blaming Republicans for the mess Democrats...THEMSELVES...created. If Obamacare weren't such a horrendously bad law Republicans...in their own enlightened self-interest...would have NO reason to defund it. But businesses, labor unions and government agencies know that it's bad and that's why they're rushing to secure waivers from it.
But, of course, for purely political reasons Democrat Obama will hand out the waivers...once again breaking the law of the land...in a sick, demented effort to secure the 2014 election for his party.
This means that the full scope and effect of Obamacare will not be felt by a majority of the American people until well after he is out of office.
Posted - 7/30/2013 3:59:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
I love how you spin things, cruzo...
you're drilling your self into the ground.
Posted - 7/30/2013 5:20:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
When my (uninsured) students need to see a doctor for a cold or virus, for themselves or their child, they often go to the ER. If they had insurance, they could see a doctor in his/her office, not clog up the ER and not spend hours waiting there for a routine matter.
Posted - 7/30/2013 5:24:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
now, cruiztwit is just being stupid..even MORE stupid..
than usual..which is really saying something..
tell me, cruiztwit..do any of these names ring any sort of a bell with you?
they are ALL signatories to the letter threatening the shutdown of the government..
left wing lies..like hell..
god, you're stupid..
Posted - 7/30/2013 11:59:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
Even Howard Dean...an uber-left Democrat and former
presidential candidate (AND he has a medical degree)...calls the Independent Payment Advisory Board a "health care rationing body."
Dean joins a growing list of DEMOCRATS (22 so far) advocating the repeal of Obamacare.
Looks like Palin was right all along.
Posted - 7/31/2013 1:33:45 AM | show profile | flag this post
i'm sure you also noticed that..
ted cruz called again to day for a shutdown of the government..
Posted - 7/31/2013 9:10:50 AM | show profile | flag this post
The Republicans are...
running scared and running out of time.
Posted - 7/31/2013 11:12:32 AM | show profile | flag this post
They keep trying to pull it back to health care when it's about the *business* of health care.
It'll be hard for hospitals and docs to reprice those $500 surgical sponges and $25 aspirin tablets, but they can do it.
It'll be tough, too, for white male far-right-wingers to accept that their own doctors might also treat people they consider to be beneath them, such as poor minorities and divorced women unable to get insurance due to pre-existing conditions. Imagine the torture Mr. Hardcore Hater will face, sitting across the waiting room from a poor black teenager with the same illness.
Posted - 7/31/2013 11:33:07 AM | show profile | flag this post
What a moron
A health care rationing body IS about the "business" of health care. And a rabidly left wing Democrat physician has blown the whistle on Omama's nefarious scheme.
Posted - 7/31/2013 12:01:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
cruise caught lying again.
""Republicans talking about shutting down the government" "Nope. That's a left wing lie"
(RollCall) "Cruz, along with Republicans Mike Lee of Utah and Marco Rubio of Florida spoke on the floor Tuesday afternoon to push their case that no continuing resolution to fund the government past Sept. 30, should include appropriations for the overhaul that’s come to be known as Obamacare" That's a shutdown.
LAST NIGHT: "Sen. Ted Cruz downplayed the damage of a government shutdown he and 11 other Senate Republicans are threatening over Obamacare as the equivalent of an extended weekend." See, the US Gov shutting down, defaulting, whatever, that's just a 'baaad weekend'...
But but but...in cruizoworld "Republicans talking about shutting down the government" is a "left wing lie"....and it's all so clear if you can't read.