Why the Sudden Rush to Defund Obamacare?

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cruiser Posted - 7/31/2013 12:15:31 PM | show profile | flag this post

"That's a shutdown"

Only if Democrat intransigence pushes it that far. Your party is refusing to listen to the demands of the country.

mpdodgson Posted - 7/31/2013 12:18:47 PM | show profile | flag this post

cruise caught lying again.

This time it's about a Howard Dean op-ed. "Dean joins a growing list of DEMOCRATS (22 so far) advocating the repeal of Obamacare." Well, that's not even close to being true is it?

Read your own post cruise. Most of ObamaCare has already kicked in, or will soon..."the IPAB will not kick in until at least 2021". So they're not "advocating the repeal of Obamacare" are they?

And (from your cite) "Healthcare providers staunchly oppose the IPAB, which makes nearly automatic cuts in Medicare's payments to providers if the program's spending grows faster than a certain rate.

Dean represents healthcare industries in his position as a senior adviser at the law and lobbying firm McKenna Long & Aldridge." Oh...so that's why he doesn't like this one provision. Explains a lot.

What about everything else then? If you bothered to read Dean's op-ed, you'd see he likes the ACA en toto, it's this one provision eight years from now he's arguing against because he's paid to do so.

Anyone spouting lines like "Omama's nefarious scheme" and "Looks like Palin was right all along"....have you been to the ER lately for those scraped knuckles?

orthicon Posted - 7/31/2013 12:22:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

are the republicans actuallty stupid enough to do it?

if they do, for however long, they will be absolutely crucified by the democrats in the upcoming campaigns..and deservedly so..

that would make my prediction of a democrat-controlled House and a 60-seat senate majority a near certainty..there would be NO place for a republican to hide from the consequences of that shutdown..

I can't believe the rightwingnuts are THAT stupid..but then.. we have cruiztwit for an example.. so maybe they are after all..

Grateful Deadline Posted - 7/31/2013 6:07:01 PM | show profile | flag this post

*** Dean represents healthcare industries in his position as a senior adviser at the law and lobbying firm McKenna Long & Aldridge." ***

This doesn't register with cruiser? The guy who sees no critical-thinking deficiency in America today?

Hahahaha!

cruiser Posted - 7/31/2013 6:24:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

Indeed I do

There is a HORRENDOUS absence of critical thinking on the left...and that is reflected right here.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 8/1/2013 11:19:12 AM | show profile | flag this post

Again, look at the frantic panic....

in cruzo's posts!

He's terrified Obamacare will take effect on October 1, that actually experiencing it WILL cause people to like it and that the swing in public opinion will kill GOP plans to campaign almost solely on eliminating Obamacare in 2014.

Maybe your boys should come up with some actual policies to campaign on, cruzo.

The GOP's one-note campaign plan of "give us everything we want or we'll shut down the government" is getting pretty old with voters.

cruiser Posted - 8/1/2013 12:24:19 PM | show profile | flag this post

I haven't mentioned this because it's patently ridiculous

but your pretense that you can speak for voters is...well, nuts. You can speak for yourself...period.

Village Gal Posted - 8/1/2013 1:21:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

suggested reading related to this topic

"Anarchists of the House" in current issue of NY Magazine,
talks about how the Republican Congress wants to sabotage the
government due to their hostility towards Obama.


etaoin shrdlu Posted - 8/1/2013 4:18:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

And yet cruzo and con...

purport to speak for the voters.

If you two can, then why can't Norm Ornstein? He's head of one of the biggest right-leaning think tanks in the U.S.

And HE is the one saying the GOP is freaked that voters will like Obamacare once it's implemented.

Is there some rule among rightwingers that only CERTAIN rightwingers -- like cruzo and con -- can speak for all voters? Is it when someone challenges the TEA Party talking points that they can no longer "speak for voters?"

That's just crazy talk, cruzo.

Sure sounds like cruzo is panicking with the rest of the GOP herd and stampeding for the cliff.

cruiser Posted - 8/1/2013 7:27:28 PM | show profile | flag this post

"The wheels are coming off this monstrosity

before our very eyes and we must fully defund, repeal, and replace it before it collapses under its own weight.” (TX Senator John Cornyn)

This after acting IRS Commissioner Danny Werfel told the investigating committee that he preferred to keep his old heallth insurance, not be forced to accept Obamacare.

Werfel was attempting to backstop his agency's union that has demanded a waiver from Obamacare.

Oh, and Werfel also admitted that the IRS...in direct contravention of US law...shared private taxpayer information with the Federal Elections Commission. Of course, his memory had to be jogged with emails between former IRS official Lois Lerner and an FEC attorney.

The scope and magnitude of this scandal is slowly coming out and will eventually be exposed for all Americans to see. I fervently hope the left cannot delay and drag this out until after the 2014 election as they did with Benghazi before the 2012 vote.

Democrats need to be held accountable.

mpdodgson Posted - 8/1/2013 10:13:01 PM | show profile | flag this post

When you're reduced to quoting John Cornyn...

THAT'S WHEN "the wheels are coming off this monstrosity" anyone calls a responsible reaction to anything, never mind the once proud 'Loyal Opposition'...

"...we must fully defund, repeal, and replace..." What John?? Something the GOP has wanted for decades? And you MUST waste everyones time repealing something you--and everyone else with a brain cell knows--the President won't sign??? I don't know what's worse; Cornyn wasting everyones time with his bombastic going nowhere rhetoric, or someone like cruise praising it.

Anyway...Here's your "Cruise Lie For The Day": "IRS Commissioner Danny Werfel told the investigating committee that he preferred to keep his old heallth insurance, not be forced to accept Obamacare."

That's NOT what he said, and of course cruise knows it. What he did say, quote: ""I don't want to speak for the NTEU, but I'll offer a perspective as a federal employee myself and a federal employee at the IRS," said the IRS chief. "And that is, we have right now as employees of the government, of the IRS, affordable health care coverage. I think the ACA was designed to provide an option or an alternative for individuals that do not. And all else being equal, I think if you're an individual who is satisfied with your health care coverage, you're probably in a better position to stick with that coverage than go through the change of moving into a different environment and going through that process. So I think for a federal employee, I think more likely, and I would -- can speak for myself, I would prefer to stay with the current policy that I'm pleased with rather than go through a change if I don't need to go through that change."

Sorry that's propably too long for your reading comprehension cruise, but the key point here was HE has "affordable health care coverage"...the ACA was designed to provide an option or an alternative for individuals that do not. "

But thanks for another lie that proves our point. Appreciate that.

orthicon Posted - 8/1/2013 10:19:58 PM | show profile | flag this post

mp..gotta be nice to cruiztwit..he needs the posts..

to justify his existence to the Koch brothers, so they'll keep those paychecks rolling in..(his mom wants to redecorate his basement)..

justifying his existence as a human being?..that's considerably more difficult..not suree he can pull that off..

cruiser Posted - 8/1/2013 11:38:16 PM | show profile | flag this post

"That's NOT what he said, and of course cruise knows it"

That's EXACTLY what he said...I heard it.

Y'know, your bullsh*t technique might work if...IF...there was no chance I'd actually hear or read what you're bullsh*ting about.

VTexan Posted - 8/2/2013 12:39:40 AM | show profile | flag this post

Quoting John Cornyn?

Johnny's the laughing stock of bizarre political ads. If you've been so unlucky as to have not seen this one, by all means. Do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt05KC3Add8

con Posted - 8/2/2013 8:31:51 AM | show profile | flag this post

Good for thee, but not for me.......

now democrats and their staffers are joining the list of those who supported obamacare -but want no part of it........

who's next for obamacare exemptions?

troo-beleevers will continue to tell us obamacare is the greatest thang since jfk....

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 8/2/2013 8:46:09 AM | show profile | flag this post

And con...

starting October 1, millions of Americans -- now with access to Obamacare -- will be saying it's a great thing, too.

50 million Americans will have access to health insurance -- that's 50 million who don't have that access now.

That's a lot of people suddenly warming up to Obamacare.

Not to mention all the others who will see insurance inflation slow -- or in California's case -- reverse.

And your Republican congresscritters are going on vacation! They'll only have three weeks to try to steal the wheels from Obamacare.

Heck, they've only been able to get 15 bills through the House all year!

Time's running out for the GOP on this issue.

con Posted - 8/2/2013 9:08:27 AM | show profile | flag this post

"Not to mention all the others who will see insurance inflation slow -- or in California's case -- reverse."

only if you manipulate numbers.....

most families have already seen double digit increases.

what ever happen to the $2500 in savings obama promised?

whatever happen to the democrat promise that everyone would pay less for their insurance?

those were lies......

etaoin shrdlu, like a sunday coming, double digit increases will happen in 2014.

keep beleeverating oct.1 is the day everyone will love obamacare and view obama has their messiah.








beenthere Posted - 8/2/2013 10:37:26 AM | show profile | flag this post


es,

So you are guaranteeing that I will see a DECREASE in my insurance costs? Well, I can rest easy, then.

You must know more about my plan than I do, as my HR department STILL doesn't know what my premiums will be this fall.





Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/2/2013 3:16:39 PM | show profile | flag this post

Here, con -- run your numbers on the Obamacare calculator for California:

http://www.coveredca.com/calculating_the_cost.html

It's a lot better to get facts, even if they mean you can't get away with spreading hogwash.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/2/2013 3:21:46 PM | show profile | flag this post

beenthere -- Cut out the employer. Get an individual plan. Then there's never any mystery or worry over how much an employer will contribute, because you always know what the entire premium costs and that you'll pay it all.

I do it that way in order not to be at an employer's mercy.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 8/2/2013 3:58:11 PM | show profile | flag this post

Beenthere...

it's obvious you don't follow news reports.

The preliminary numbers show a slowing of health care insurance inflation with eventual, real dollar reductions. Your HR Dept is not going to release numbers until they know for sure what the amount will be. They could be contractually obligated to provide them at the cost they quote if they get them wrong.

Will they be immediately lower -- don't know. But in the next couple of years, you WILL be seeing health insurance costs across the country come under greater control.

Otherwise, why would the GOP be panicked about Obamacare taking effect? They're willing to shut down the government to keep people from seeing the effects of Obamacare for purely political reasons.

cruiser Posted - 8/2/2013 4:06:23 PM | show profile | flag this post

There are plenty of know-nothing left wing parrots

on the Internet. We don't need any here.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/2/2013 5:04:38 PM | show profile | flag this post

If all you can do is call people names here, cruiser, then go someplace else where you'll be happier.

Live happy. How about it, ol' buddy pal?

cruiser Posted - 8/2/2013 5:14:14 PM | show profile | flag this post

Dearie...why don't you take

your vinegar personality and follow your own advice?


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