Posted - 2/20/2013 11:39:55 AM | show profile | flag this post
how would a Voter ID law have stopped this?
Posted - 2/20/2013 12:08:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
Photo IDs are only one part of the necessary fixes
but you people are concentrating only on it as a way of trivializing the entirety of the vote fraud problem. When one "made man" can influence the election results of two entire states...and possibly a third...it IS a huge problem.
But let's start with something that can be done very easily and inexpensively with minimal effect on voters. Every jurisdiction of which I'm aware offers free IDs and most offer free transportation to and from, if required.
If you support Jerry Brown's high speed train boondoggle...the one that will initially run from nowhere to who cares in the Central Valley because it's the cheapest and easiest way to begin...then you must support beginning with photo IDs for voters if you're serious about preventing/solving fraud problems.
Oh, but you people are still trying to deny that there is a problem even though incidents of it are identified and reported after every election...and almost always favor Democrats.
Posted - 2/20/2013 2:04:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
The laws written in the last election cycle were deliberately written to disenfranchise Democratic voters. The types of photo ID allowed discriminated against minorities, young people, urban dwellers, and the elderly.
States moved to disallow military IDs, passports and student IDs.
Voter ID laws would NOT have stopped these cases of the Ohio woman.
But the current system DID catch here -- just like the Republicans who committed similar vote fraud caught in the last year.
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Posted - 2/20/2013 2:09:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
you have yet to show an example of where a voter ID would have prevented so called "voter fraud". The examples you cite did not involve a voter ID.
You have to wonder what kind of idiot would start a thread titled "Why voter IDs ARE necessary" and proceed to give examples where a voter ID would not have prevented anything.
Posted - 2/20/2013 3:33:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
So first it was "Why voter IDs ARE necessary"...
Because someone without a Photo ID mailed in another vote, maybe more. And she got caught. Because she's apparently stupid. So it didn't count anyway. And it didnt affect anything. But she voted for Obama so this is proof of, well, nothing at all actually. And HOW DOES VOTER ID STOP PEOPLE FROM MAILING IN A BALLOT??? Still no answer. BUT..."how many more are lurking under the surface?"
Now I'm scared. I mean, damn, people can "MAIL" in votes?? And get caught?? There oughtta be a law. Ok, there is, but that doesn't stop my outrage. See? you're "trivializing the entirety of the vote fraud problem" that apparently doesn't exist, even when my Republican Governor says it doesn't (including in Philadelphia, damn.)
"When one "made man" can influence the election results of two entire states...and possibly a third...it IS a huge problem." Now I'm even more afraid. What the hell is one "made man"?? Some guy from "Goodfellas"?? And which states did this one guy "influence" elections?? 2, maybe 3, and does Joe Pesci get a residual for this?? What states?? Any proof at all???
So. I've made a total fool of myself so far--let's go all in and switch the topic to Gov Brown's "high speed train boondoggle" (Eric Cantor has one too btw for VA) If you support trains "then you must support beginning with photo IDs for voters". Can't argue with logic like that. If you're a Scientologist--you MUST eat Cheerios. They're round.
"Oh, but you people" Stay off my lawn damnit.
Posted - 2/20/2013 4:46:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm not going to argue with you
Each of you knows what I'm saying is accurate...or if you don't you're dumber than a box of rocks.
Unfortunately I'll never be able to change your minds.
Fortunately this backwater forum has ZERO influence on the world at large.
Unfortunately the left wingers here (if they are to be believed) are media types who might have some political influence in their communities.
Posted - 2/20/2013 10:39:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
This thread is hilarious. Please keep it going.
Posted - 2/20/2013 11:29:44 PM | show profile | flag this post
Please don't even try to tell me you haven't been sucked in by bullshit like this. You have. It's just fun and blows off steam.
Posted - 2/21/2013 9:43:43 AM | show profile | flag this post
So now, cruzo...
says this is a backwater forum with no influence.
Remember just last fall when he was talking about how he was reaching thousands or millions of "casual readers" with his rants?
Guess he finally came around to agreeing with us.
But, you notice how he still hasn't been able to show how a photo ID would have prevented the 6 cases of voter fraud by this one woman -- or the total of 19 SUSPECTED cases in Ohio.
In this poll worker's case -- she seems to have filled out the absentee ballots of relatives who just gave them to her to fill out. Not like she's creating millions of fake identities and going to millions of polling places on election day.
Certainly this had less impact than the 200,000 voters turned away from the polls in Florida due to long lines.
But we're still waiting, cruzo. Regale us with your insight into how Voter ID laws would have prevented the 19 cases in Ohio -- or the 200,000 cases of voter suppression in Florida.
Posted - 2/21/2013 9:44:48 AM | show profile | flag this post
"What states?? Any proof at all???"
The states were Illinois and West Virginia. The proof has been written about extensively over the last 50 years. It's not a secret...nor is it in dispute.
And "made man" refers to a Mafioso...a mobster...with ties to the labor unions who caused the two states mentioned to vote heavily in favor of John F Kennedy. That secured Kennedy's very thin margin of victory.
And you claim to be an historian???
Posted - 2/21/2013 9:50:31 AM | show profile | flag this post
"he was talking about how he was reaching
thousands or millions of 'casual readers'"
You need professional help.
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Posted - 2/21/2013 1:09:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Please explain how voter IDs would have changed a single vote where "the mafia delivered votes for Jack Kennedy"?
Posted - 2/21/2013 1:54:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
We know what "made man" means...my reference to 'Goodfellas' should have tipped you off.
"The states were Illinois and West Virginia. The proof has been written about extensively over the last 50 years. It's not a secret...nor is it in dispute." Yes, it is in dispute, has been for decades, especially about why Nixon chose not to dispute the results.
But besides all that--Why do you have to stretch back 53 years to make a point?? You started this thread. "Why voter IDs ARE necessary" Tell us all, please, HOW would a photo ID factor into the 1960 election in any way shape or form--and HOW a photo ID eould prevent someone from mailing in a second ballot??? Tell us. Please.
Posted - 2/21/2013 2:35:11 PM | show profile | flag this post
in denial about how he was reaching all our "casual readers."
A little flashback here:
cruiser Posted - 6/17/2012 1:45:40 PM
"I know trying to present facts to this forum is futile
"But it's not you left wing people I'm talking to. I'm directing my comments to the casual readers.."
cruiser Posted - 6/19/2012 9:51:09 PM
"You're being dishonest...again...
and I'd let it pass because all the regulars KNOW you're being dishonest. But for the sake of the casual readers here I will unequivocally say you're being dishonest."
So, after claiming to reach the "casual readers" he admits his past year on here was for naught.
But he sure buys into conspiracy theories! JFK and the mafia.
Still no explanation about how a photo ID would have stopped these suspected 19 illegal votes. Just 19 votes.
Posted - 2/21/2013 3:02:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
Let me state here again, one more time, ad nauseum
...that the H-U-G-E Republican thrust has been for establishing voter IDs, not for finding a way to keep voter fraud from happening. All the voter ID effort might do is keep people who are more inclined to vote Democratic...from voting.
Celophane is studying modern-day Republican leadership to see how they can become more transparent!
Posted - 2/21/2013 5:11:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's a common left wing (read: Democrat) tactic
to use the words of one misguided Republican and try to paint every GOP member with a broad brush. No one is fooled. Everyone is wise to the ploy.
But the FACT is only one or a VERY small handful of Republicans are trying to limit Democrat votes.
And all of you KNOW FOR A FACT that voter IDs would go a long way toward preventing fraud at polling places.
Certainly, other measures are needed to uncover and eliminate fraud involving absentee and mailed ballots, etc.
Posted - 2/21/2013 5:14:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
"measures are needed to uncover and eliminate fraud"
Even if you can't prove this is happening on a large scale, something needs to be done!
It is simply one of those nonsense conservative positions you libs need to accept. Yes! It's stupid, because voter fraud seems like a non issue. So let's make it one even without evidence.
That's why only the bravest posters are willing to post over and over and over and over and over and over and over about it.
Hero cruiser once again proves he is willing to play the fool for liberty!
Posted - 2/21/2013 10:15:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
Some folks are just