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mpdodgson Posted - 6/24/2013 7:06:58 PM | show profile | flag this post

We all knew it was coming...so here we go.

It's certainly not important in the Grand Scheme of things--never mind not even in the same league as Syria, Immigration, Unemployment, the economy in general, Snowdens latest hiding spot, scandal this and scandal that....

But no one can deny it's not "Current Events". Like it or not, right or wrong or not, this is a bona fide news story.

Opening arguements don't bode well. "The prosecutor cursed and the defense attorney told a joke as both sides laid out opening arguments in the murder trial of George Zimmerman, the man who killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin in what his lawyers say was self-defense and authorities say was a case of fatal profiling." (Fox)

The prosecutor said Martin had no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or under his fingernails, and he wrapped up his statements in about a half-hour, telling jurors Zimmerman "did not shoot [Martin] because he had to, but because he wanted to."

"Don West followed with opening statements on behalf of Zimmerman, offering a knock-knock joke that fell flat before the stone-faced jurors.

"Who's there?" West said. "George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? Okay, good. You're on the jury."

West later apologized for the joke, saying he was sorry if he offended anyone."

(Yep. This is going to be a full-fledged three circus trial of the century at least for this year extravaganza. And it will bring out the best and worst of both/all sides of the political spectrum. IMO)

orthicon Posted - 6/24/2013 7:08:50 PM | show profile | flag this post

yes, it will.. which is why i'll treat it as i said before..

i'll totally ignore it..

the bald truth is, I couldn't care less..

mpdodgson Posted - 6/24/2013 9:43:28 PM | show profile | flag this post

Bitter with the batter orth...

Goes with the territory...we don't always get to pick our headlines...like it or not, it's the lead...[and my personal favorite] 'You knew the job was dangerous when you took it Fred'...

It's the price we newszies pay all the time. we may not care, personally; but sure as shit there's a very large portion of the country out there that does. And, honsetly, frankly, when I look at both the details and the obvious public reaction no matter the result?? Hell yea, it's a great story whether you like it or not.

orthicon Posted - 6/24/2013 11:22:25 PM | show profile | flag this post

possibly so, mp..in some parts of the country..but..

the overwhelming general opinion here in my neck of the woods..which, as you know, is san diego..is..

huh?..who?..what?..it's definitely a wagasa..that's an acronym for:

Who All Gives A S*** Anyway?..

blackedtaped Posted - 6/25/2013 10:17:06 AM | show profile | flag this post

Why this mattters....

Without the nationwide protests and public outcry this trial would never have taken place. And I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that if Zimmerman is not found guilty there will be cries of "no justice, no peace" throughout the nation. There will be rallies, protests, and, my worst fear, riots. Add to that the recent cries against guns in this country and anything less than a conviction will bring out mass protests from varied groups all united in protesting a perceived miscarriage of justice.

mpdodgson Posted - 6/25/2013 11:38:38 AM | show profile | flag this post

orthicon, blackedtape,

I think you're both right.

Unfortunately, as much as we find this story to be A) Local (exactly how many deadly shootings do we have in the USA on any given day?), and B) Unsavory to the max....It's still very much a huge current events story. Sucks. But there it is.

con Posted - 6/25/2013 11:59:14 AM | show profile | flag this post

funnie the liberal media is all over this local story when the liberal media had to be dragged kicking and screaming to cover serial killer/abortion doc kermit gosnell.

but there's no liberal bias in the media..........

cruiser Posted - 6/25/2013 1:06:53 PM | show profile | flag this post



mpdodgson Posted - 6/25/2013 1:07:54 PM | show profile | flag this post

Totally ignorant

of the news biz.

"funnie the liberal media is all over this local story"....Yes, they are. Because it's a local story that has generated massive nationwide opinion, hence the coverage. (Same thing goes for Leopold/Loeb, the Lindbergh kidnapping, Manson, Dahmer, OJ, etc etc)

And oh yea, "the liberal media"?? The trial is on the front page of Drudge, FoxNews, FoxNewspapers, and on Beck's The Blaze?? You can watch the trial streamed live. Those damn libruls.

"when the liberal media had to be dragged kicking and screaming to cover serial killer/abortion doc kermit gosnell." And who exactly dragged them? And who screamed? Inquiring minds want to know??
(Of course you could Google the topic and find coverage from ABC, NBC, CBS, Reuters, Fox, NPR, USAToday, CNN, Washington Times, WaPo, The Daily Mail, Liberal and Conserv websites, and propably Tass....It only warranted a day or two of coverage because that's all it was worth...opinion wise. The Cleveland kidnapping horror story ranked pretty much the same.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but Jeez, at least learn a little bit before you open your big fat mouth. This was a BullBoard for newsies.

con Posted - 6/25/2013 2:49:01 PM | show profile | flag this post

since you appear to know how to use google, a topic worth researching is "gosnell media blackout'.

kirsten powers, conor friedersdorf, tommy christopher are worth a read....

a must read.......

Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story

The dead babies. The exploited women. The racism. The numerous governmental failures. It is thoroughly newsworthy.


and yes the liberal media covered gosnell-after the verdict......

before the verdict? not so much.

if you want to read a funnie-google wapo, nytimes, cnn, and msnbc offering up explanations for lack of coverage.

con Posted - 6/25/2013 2:49:35 PM | show profile | flag this post

it was the liberal media who brought us zimmerman is white, a republican, and selective editing audio/transcripts to make zimmerman appear racist.

what liberal media?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 6/25/2013 11:24:03 PM | show profile | flag this post

I sure hope you haven't procreated.

mpdodgson Posted - 6/25/2013 11:37:55 PM | show profile | flag this post

Yea. Right. Librul Media

gave us the entire false impression that Zimmerman has a few problems, shall we say. Keep clinging to that. It'll get you through the trial and inevitable verdict.

con Posted - 6/26/2013 1:41:51 PM | show profile | flag this post

Grateful Deadline, thanks, but no thanks...........

cruiser Posted - 6/27/2013 10:17:59 PM | show profile | flag this post

How dumb is Rachel Jeantel?

Can't even read a letter she supposedly wrote...(I don't read cursive)...or apparently doesn't realize that the inconsistencies in her stories on the stand and in her deposition are sinking the prosecution's case. And the district attorney has to be as dumb as a box or rocks to keep questioning her.

blackedtaped Posted - 7/14/2013 9:56:14 AM | show profile | flag this post

Well the verdict is in

Now please, please prove me totally wrong about the national reaction.

VTexan Posted - 7/14/2013 10:41:56 AM | show profile | flag this post

I don't think

...the most important issue here is whether or not your prediction was correct. Do you?

It has to be noted that none of us--none--know as much as the jury does about this trial.

That said I can't imagine mitigating circumstances which make what happened that night something for which Zimmerman should not have been convicted, and something for which he should not be punished in some fashion.

Raw facts are that he went out of his way to pursue with a loaded weapon a stranger behaving lawfully...and against the request of a police dispatcher...then when said stranger responded physically (as any of us would have when approached by an aggressive stranger)...shot him dead.

I can't feature that being, in the eyes of the law and a jury, not a crime, and something for which he won't pay. Same state, the firing of a gun as a warning shot, and a woman gets a 20-year sentence. Make that make sense to me.


mpdodgson Posted - 7/14/2013 10:44:24 AM | show profile | flag this post

blackedtpae, Sir, So??

You predicted outrage over the verdict, if a killer of a black kid is set free? You want a pat on the back for your intellectual clairavoyance??

Many predicted demonstrations and outright venom from Florida parents (of both races) after the Casey Anthony verdict. So?

People have to respect the jury's decision. They also have the right to be angry and protest. Peacefully. I also hasten to add that GZ's defenders are adding fuel to the fire. "Although counsel was advised to leave race out of the discussion during trial, during the post-trial press conference, Zimmerman's defense attorney, Mark O'Mara, remarked that if his client were black, "he never would've been charged with a crime."


blackedtaped Posted - 7/14/2013 11:47:54 AM | show profile | flag this post

More "raw facts"

Zimmerman was leaving the scene when Martin attacked him. Testimony indicated Martin started the physical contact. There was never any evidence presented that Zimmerman communicated any threats toward Martin or physically attacked him. To convict Zimmerman would have required evidence that it was not in self-defense and that evidence was never produced. Sorry but the jury got this one right.

it's just tv folks Posted - 7/14/2013 11:56:20 AM | show profile | flag this post

blackedtaped, please show us the testimony that "indicated Martin started the physical contact". Of course it will nbe an eye witness and not be the self serving words from Georgie regirgitated from "friends".

blackedtaped Posted - 7/14/2013 11:56:29 AM | show profile | flag this post


I did predict outrage or demonstrations. Those are to be expected, as you point out those occur after many high profile trials. What I also predicted was riots, and that is what I truly hope does not happen. Please let me be wrong about that. As I heard many call for words not actions, protests not violence. I hope that is what happens.

blackedtaped Posted - 7/14/2013 12:00:43 PM | show profile | flag this post

It's just TV folks

Please show testimony that indicated Zimmerman started the physical contact. We know there was physical contact, there were pictures of Zimmerman's wounds. So someone had to start it. So if you know of testimony that Zimmerman got out of his truck and attacked Martin please share it.

mpdodgson Posted - 7/14/2013 12:02:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

My opinion

Was perfectly summarized by the Prosecution, after the verdict, responding to a question:

“Once you found out you could not determine who started that confrontation, why did you decide to go forward because isn’t that a key point of a case like this?” one reporter asked.

“I think we have to go back to the beginning,” responded de la Ronda, “Who was following who? It really boiled down to a kid mining his own business being followed by a stranger. I would submit that’s when it started. I don’t know if that answered your question or not.”

The reporter suggested that de la Ronda was positing a theory about that night, prompting the prosecutor to respond: “That’s not the theory. That’s the facts. The jury obviously disagreed at some point. You’ll be able to inquire them of what they thought. But what it boils down to you have a 17-year-old kid, minding his own business, wearing a hoodie, gets accosted, followed by an individual who wants to be a cop.”

Corey jumped back in to add that “This case has never been about race nor has it ever been about the right to bear arms. Not in the sense of proving this as a criminal case. But Trayvon Martin was profiled. There is no doubt that he was profiled to be a criminal. And if race was one of the aspects in George Zimmerman’s mind, then we believe that we put out the proof necessary to show that Zimmerman did profile Trayvon Martin, but the right to bear arms is the right in which we all believe.”

“But what we want is responsible use when someone feels they have to use a gun to take a life,” she continued. “They have to be responsible in their use and we believe that this case all along was about boundaries and that George Zimmerman exceeded those boundaries.”

In response to the next question, de la Rionda expressed his “respect” for the verdict but emphasized that he is “disappointed” with the outcome. “What matters is what the jury said and I accept it,” he added"----

One un-armed kid, going home, gets followed by a wannabe-cop vigilante with a gun. Black kid gets profiled, they get into a fight, kid ends up dead. Gunman suffers no consequences. Un-friggin believable.

But we SHOULD respect the verdict--protest if you want but don't riot--Chalk this one up to [Pick one or many] A bad prosecution/case, OJ&Casey Anthony again, Florida being Florida, bigotry/racial profiling still alive and well, Life is unfair. Time to heal and move on.

it's just tv folks Posted - 7/14/2013 12:06:03 PM | show profile | flag this post

I was asking you to back up your own statement, but I guess you are admitting that you LIED yet again.

But hey, the positive outcome of this verdict is that anyone who sees you or your imaginary son near the dangerous weapon of sidewalk can claim self defense for shooting you!

blackedtaped Posted - 7/14/2013 12:18:58 PM | show profile | flag this post

It's just TV folks

You really are a true piece of work. I said there was testimony that Martin started the physical confrontation. You added the "eye witness" part which I never said happened because, JUST LIKE YOU, I know there were only two people who actually saw what happened and one of them is dead. I never claimed there was an eye witness just there was testimony to the idea that Martin started it.
I told my very real son a long time ago that walking away from a fight, especially from someone he did not know, was better than getting killed over nothing. I told him always assume the other guy has a gun, better to think he is armed than to hope he isn't. When you have actually had a gun pointed at you that will make you think twice about confronting strangers.
Now change around what I just said so you can call me a liar again. It really reduces you everything you write to a joke.

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