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| dwc | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:16:47 AM | show profile I checked the AP stylebook and it says: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, UPenn, and Yale. And that's it. Does that mean that Stanford isn't Ivy League? And what about foreign universities like Oxford? |
| wordnerd | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:24:55 AM | show profile The Ivy League is first and foremost an athletic conference (though Ivy League football is considered a joke today). So it wouldn't make sense for Stanford to belong, considering it's on the other side of the country. |
| harkinj | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:26:47 AM | show profile "Ivy League" is an athletic conference like the Big Ten or the ACC. |
| ariwriter | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:33:00 AM | show profile Echoing the other responses, New York Herald Tribune sports writer Stanley Woodward termed the phrase, "Ivy League" in the 1930s to categorize the league of eight college athletic teams. Occasionally, other colleges are considered Ivies such as Stanford, Duke, MIT, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Georgetown and Northwestern... but they're not part of the athletic league. |
| dwc | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:41:47 AM | show profile I just checked Webster's and it says "a group of colleges in the NE U.S. forming a league for intercollegiate sports." So apparently it's exclusive to the NE. |
| lvanderkam | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:42:31 AM | show profile "Ivy League" is not intended to be a description of a college's quality. It's fine to say Stanford is a very selective institution, or a fine school, and I'm sure Oxford stands on its own merits as well. I've always thought of universities such as MIT as better places than Cornell, so the fact that Cornell is an "Ivy" doesn't mean much. Just that they play football against Princeton, Harvard and the like. |
| Lowbrow | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:44:54 AM | show profile Tough to get a straight answer, ain't it dc? Yes - the eight you list are the Ivy League schools. Check http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/index.asp if you want support. ------ Lowbrow, NYC |
| dwc | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:53:56 AM | show profile What about the Univserity of Trenton? |
| Lowbrow | Posted – 10/3/2003 10:55:07 AM | show profile What about it? |
| dwc | Posted – 10/3/2003 11:03:23 AM | show profile And Williams College. |
| jcpatterson | Posted – 10/3/2003 12:26:16 PM | show profile All of the above posters are correct. "Ivy League" is an athletic league, just like the Pac Ten or the Big Ten. But if you are looking for a measure of what schools are considered to be in a comparable academic tier, you might want to look at some of the rankings, like US News and World Report, that come out yearly. But be warned--they change their methodology periodically, make assessments based on criteria you may not find valid, and you generally can't take a single ranking as the definitive word on a school's quality. If you are not researching something specific, like J-schools or B-schools, it may be best to consult a variety of rankings and see what schools appear consistently in the top 10 or 20. Finally, there are also a group of schools known as Public Ivies, that are public schools reputed to offer an Ivy-type experience. My own alma mater, Miami University, is one of these (shameless Miami plug). |
| jcpatterson | Posted – 10/3/2003 12:26:50 PM | show profile All of the above posters are correct. "Ivy League" is an athletic league, just like the Pac Ten or the Big Ten. But if you are looking for a measure of what schools are considered to be in a comparable academic tier, you might want to look at some of the rankings, like US News and World Report, that come out yearly. But be warned--they change their methodology periodically, make assessments based on criteria you may not find valid, and you generally can't take a single ranking as the definitive word on a school's quality. If you are not researching something specific, like J-schools or B-schools, it may be best to consult a variety of rankings and see what schools appear consistently in the top 10 or 20. Finally, there is also a group of schools known as Public Ivies, that are public schools reputed to offer an Ivy-type experience. My own alma mater, Miami University, is one of these (shameless Miami plug). |
| Sphinx | Posted – 10/3/2003 12:39:22 PM | show profile So from what context does this question arise, anyway? |
| dwc | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:12:41 PM | show profile sphinx: i was doing some research on an article and it occurred to me i didn't know what schools are considered ivy league. i asked a couple of editors in my office and they didn't know either. in fact, if you turn to someone in your office right now and ask them if Stanford is an ivy league school, i bet they'd say yes. I had no idea that it had to do with sports NE schools. |
| JrWriter | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:24:32 PM | show profile The view from the inside All of the posters who said that the Ivy League is an athletic conference are correct. There are several colleges and universities that are not a part of the Ivy League but are, nonetheless, top-notch schools. Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Williams, Amherst, and the University of Chicago are all great schools that don’t belong to the Ivy League per se. And as for Cambridge and Oxford, well, they are in a class onto themselves. Both are stellar academic institutions that have long, storied histories. |
| JrWriter | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:25:22 PM | show profile Special for DC If you are interested, I'll sell you my Ivy diploma. It's only a couple years old and in very good condition. I'm only asking for $65K, so its a great deal. Act now and I'll throw in the cum laude for free. |
| dwc | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:29:08 PM | show profile Jr: That's ok. I already have an over-priced education. All those years of school and they didn't teach me what Ivy League was. |
| meowqueen | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:41:27 PM | show profile I think most people DO know Stanford not's an Ivy League. Or maybe that's just because I'm in Calif. I always assumed the term *Ivy League* referred to the oldest schools in the U.S., the ones with ivy-laden buildings. |
| JuneBug | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:43:57 PM | show profile JCpatterson Just curious: can you describe what you mean by an "ivy experience?" I |
| JuneBug | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:44:22 PM | show profile JCpatterson Just curious: can you describe what you mean by an "ivy experience?" |
| picasso13 | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:46:28 PM | show profile Seven Sisters okay, now I'm curious who are the "Seven Sisters" known to be relations of the Ivies, back in the day when women couldn't go to Havard but could go to Smith... |
| picasso13 | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:47:23 PM | show profile Harvard, not Havard obviously i didn't go ivy! i can't spell harvard. actually i did go ivy, but still can't spell harvard. |
| JuneBug | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:51:17 PM | show profile Picasso-- Don't worry, that's how the locals call harvard anyway. A simple google (try it, you'll like it!) on the seven sisters found this: The Seven Sisters: * Barnard College (New York, NY) - founded in 1889, adjacent to Columbia University. In 1983 Columbia began to accept women applicants, ending Barnard's exclusive right to enroll women undergrads. * Bryn Mawr College (Bryn Mawr, PA) - this nondenominational college counts actress Katharine Hepburn among its notable alumnae. * Mount Holyoke College (South Hadley, MA) - founded in 1837, this was the first of the Seven Sister schools, and the first institution of higher education for women in the U.S. * Radcliffe College (Cambridge, MA) - emerged in 1893 as an institution adjacent to, yet separate from, Harvard University. In the 1970s, the two schools merged and women were officially granted Harvard degrees. * Smith College (Northampton, MA) - Australian educator and author Jill Ker Conway became Smith's first woman president in 1975. * Vassar College (Poughkeepsie, NY) - coeducational since 1969, its the first of the Seven Sisters welcome both genders. In 1989, Rick Lazio was the first Vassar grad to be elected to Congress. However, he was defeated in a recent Senate race by a Wellesley coed. * Wellesley College (Wellesley, MA) - Wellesley's presidents have all been women, many of them Wellesley alums. |
| caliente | Posted – 10/3/2003 1:51:20 PM | show profile These are the CONFIRMED Ivy League Schools: Yale -- CT, Harvard -- MA, Columbia -- NY, Cornell -- NY, DARTMOUTH -- NH, PRINCETON -- NJ, UPENN -- Pennsylvania, BROWN -- RI. NY is the only state with two Ivy League Schools. All the Ivy League schools are in the East where we had our original 13 states/colonies and where most of these universities were established. The 8 Ivy League Schools are nicknamed, "The Ivy Eight." I worked at the Princeton Review on the college magazines rankings, etc... |
| picasso13 | Posted – 10/3/2003 2:23:08 PM | show profile Sarah Lawrence and Vassar what about these? are they part of the seven-step-sisters? ;) |
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