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| missit | Posted – 10/9/2005 3:31:42 PM | show profile I'm about to quite my job to go after a great new opportunity and I can barely wait to get started. Partly because the opportunity is an awesome one and partly because my current job is likely as close to hell as one can get on earth. I've suffered daily indignities. My direct supervisor is simply not a nice person and greatly threatened by talent. He's gotten rid of otehr people in my dept for just this reason and I figure my days are numbered as well. He's already signaled to me that as soon as he's able, he'll fire me or at the very least I should not expect to have my contributions recognized with anything like a promotion of pay raise--not a motivator let me tell you, so in the last few weeks I have practically given him grounds with poor productivity. |
| missit | Posted – 10/9/2005 3:35:56 PM | show profile Less than 2 weeks notice? Part 2 * Sorry above I meant to say quit my job, not quite... In any event, it's a happy situation all around. Morale is also down and co-workers are happy that I'm getting out, but there's also that hint of why couldn't it be me? The environment is toxic, and my cubicle has been packed up for some weeks on the chance I did get fired. Nothing personal would be left behind. So, my question is, given the circumstances, is it appropriate to quit giving less than two weeks notice. I'd like to say I'll finish out the week, but that's it...What think? Thanks. |
| missit | Posted – 10/9/2005 3:39:46 PM | show profile Too many spelling errors in my last two posts...Sorry. I blame it on rainy Sunday afternoon lethargy. Please forgive. |
| slink | Posted – 10/9/2005 3:54:24 PM | show profile I wouldn't worry about it. Leave when you want to leave. I left my last job with a 10-day notice and nobody cared. |
| Lotus665 | Posted – 10/9/2005 3:59:22 PM | show profile If you think you want/need a reference and these not-nice people will give you one, give at least 2 weeks' notice and make sure to get the reference in hand before you leave. Remember, your great new opportunity might not work out, and you don't want to burn bridges. However if you really hate this place, think they're on the edge of firing you anyway, can live without the reference, and are very sure it will work out with your new gig, telling 'em on Monday that Friday will be your last day seems fair enough. |
| Lotus665 | Posted – 10/9/2005 3:59:49 PM | show profile If you think you want/need a reference and these not-nice people will give you one, give at least 2 weeks' notice and make sure to get the reference in hand before you leave. Remember, your great new opportunity might not work out, and you don't want to burn bridges. However if you really hate this place, think they're on the edge of firing you anyway, can live without the reference, and are very sure it will work out with your new gig, telling 'em on Monday that Friday will be your last day seems fair enough. |
| Marie | Posted – 10/9/2005 4:35:57 PM | show profile Doesn't sound as if your supervisor will give you a good reference no matter how much notice you give, so do what you want. If he were to get rid of you, you wouldn't get any notice. Life as an employee at will cuts two ways. |
| missit | Posted – 10/9/2005 7:06:48 PM | show profile Thanks, I'm not really worried about a reference, but am concerned about general bad mouthing--but maybe people don't really care as you say when someone leaves with less than two weeks. You're right, I definitely would not get any notice if I were to be fired. I want to be decent about it and not get a bad reputation for not giving enough notice, but also don't want to give more than I should to a supervisor that's been generally crappy to me and those around him. But is two weeks notice old school? Can it be explained away if I don't? Under any circumstances would I need to ever explain it? I've been at this current job a long time, and it seems a lot has changed in the job market and expectations since I was last changing jobs. |
| Marie | Posted – 10/9/2005 7:53:40 PM | show profile Who would know you didn't give two weeks' notice? Look, if anyone ever calls this idiot about you, he's likely to say much worse things, based on your post. Isn't he hinting ''your days are numbered''? But if it's going to eat you up, give two weeks' notice. My feeling is that once you give notice, this supervisor is going to make your life even worse. He might even tell you to ''leave now,'' which I guess would solve your problem. |
| Deadliner | Posted – 10/10/2005 11:30:33 AM | show profile Never, ever give a lousy employer two weeks notice. Would the same employer give you two weeks notice if they wanted to terminate your employment? No. So go ahead and fire them. However, if you're only giving them 10-days notice, be prepared to be shown the door immediately. And make sure two copies of your resignation letter and even have them notarized. This can help you continue to draw pay until your chosen resignation date and resolve any later dispute over your termination status. Leaving on short notice was empowering thing I've ever done. In addition to having a few extra days to relax before I began my new job, my quick exit humbled a couple of piss-poor managers. |
| Deadliner | Posted – 10/10/2005 11:32:54 AM | show profile I'm sorry, that's ''And make sure YOU HAVE two copies of your resignation letter.'' |
| limericks4all | Posted – 10/10/2005 3:05:52 PM | show profile If you tell your employer you are quitting and give two weeks notice, he can generally fire you at any time and doesnt have to pay for you any of the time after that. <<And make sure two copies of your resignation letter and even have them notarized. This can help you continue to draw pay until your chosen resignation date and resolve any later dispute over your termination status. ?? |
| clairezulkey | Posted – 10/10/2005 5:45:49 PM | show profile | email poster miss, it's your call and if you already don't have a steady bridge with this guy, I wouldn't worry about it. At my old job, a guy quit over the phone and never came again! ------ Editor of MBToolBox |
| missit | Posted – 10/10/2005 11:40:09 PM | show profile Well, I Quit I'm out of there on Friday. Two seconds before I announced it to my supervisor, I changed my mind. I had to retype my letter, but I felt physically relieved. Life is two short and I would like some time to recover before taking on a new challenge. He was a total a-hole about it and just kept telling me my projects had better be finished come Friday. Ridiculous! Thanks all, and thanks for that tip about notarizing letters. I didn't realize they could fire you after you resign and then not pay you. Corporate American simply sucks! |
| Marie | Posted – 10/11/2005 5:21:31 AM | show profile If you're owed any unused vacation days, he has to pay you for those days whether he likes it or not. Fortunately, that is a law. Also, this guy sounds so nutso I would keep quiet about where you're going to work. Don't answer any questions about that. He might call the place and sabotage you. Seen it happen. Say you're just leaving to explore new options or some other BS. Period. No more information. Good luck! |
| Deadliner | Posted – 10/11/2005 1:19:57 PM | show profile Limericks, The notarization is so that they don't back date your last day of employment. I once resigned from a job and worked my full two weeks and then when they mailed me my check a few days later, they only paid me my unused vacation. I worked for two weeks for free. I had to go to court to get paid and it was only notarized resignation letter that won that case. Also, employers cannot fire you without showing good cause, and resigning is not deemed good cause in most cases in most states, except in special circumstances such as leaving for a competitor, creating a financial hardship for the employer, or degrading the work environment. Actually, in a lot of cases you can quit a job (even without notice), and if you can demonstrate good cause for doing so, you can collect unemployment benefits. In reality, though, HR departments typically don't play such sticky games, and you're likely to be paid to the date of your chosen termination despite if your manager shows you the door beforehand. |
| commawonk | Posted – 10/11/2005 2:15:24 PM | show profile <i>Also, employers cannot fire you without showing good cause</i> With the exception of sexual or age discrimination, can't one be fired for any reason or no reason at all in states with at-will employment? |
| beenthere | Posted – 10/11/2005 2:17:00 PM | show profile Employers do not have to give a reason to fire any employee in an at-will state. Employees are completely disposable. |
| Lotus665 | Posted – 10/11/2005 2:19:56 PM | show profile I hope you didn't promise to complete all your projects by Friday. It's his tough luck if you don't. ------ Lotus665 |
| Marie | Posted – 10/11/2005 8:33:02 PM | show profile Deadliner--I'm not sure what country you're from, but an employee at will can be fired for anything, at anytime, and you don't even have to be given a reason. It usually doesn't work that way, but theoretically, it can. The whole system of warnings and BS performance reviews are all to protect the employer against lawsuits in case somebody in a protected class brings a suit. |
| missit | Posted – 10/12/2005 12:50:43 AM | show profile Wow, all good info. I've been working for 15 years and it's amazing what I don't know. For instance, is NY an at-will state? And no I didn't promise to complete my projects. I am leaving for a competitor and I'm sure he knows where I'm going. I did talk to the new people today and explained I'm leaving w.o the customary two weeks notice, and based on some of the things my new boss is saying, it seems to be general knowledge that my current boss is a nut! Boy am I glad I didn't give two weeks and only have 3 more days to not get all my projects done by the end of the week. Such a load has been lifted. Thanks for all the great advice and info on this. |
| Marie | Posted – 10/12/2005 1:47:53 AM | show profile Yes, New York is an at-will state. Almost every state is. Best of luck on your new job, and it's good your new company knows your boss is nuts, just in case he pulls something crazy before you leave. Again, good luck. |
| limericks4all | Posted – 10/12/2005 11:55:29 AM | show profile He sounds like an ass. Just do a reasonable amount of work until Friday, take your normal lunch hours, and if anything is undone, such is life. There is no need to pull all-nighters finishing up stuff for this jerk because he won't appreciate it anyway. Good luck on the new job. <<I'm out of there on Friday. Two seconds before I announced it to my supervisor, I changed my mind. I had to retype my letter, but I felt physically relieved. Life is two short and I would like some time to recover before taking on a new challenge. He was a total a-hole about it and just kept telling me my projects had better be finished come Friday. Ridiculous! Thanks << |
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