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| changed_muh_name | Posted – 3/9/2007 7:39:02 PM | show profile Move On has said they own the democrats.I guess the pull out of the Fox News debates prove it. |
| pjf311 | Posted – 3/9/2007 7:56:09 PM | show profile find that quote because I would love to see it, but if a FOX guy says they said it the they must have. Same with the Bill Mahr quote |
| camckay7626 | Posted – 9/20/2007 7:05:58 PM | show profile | email poster Natzi comparison I laughed when i heard a nut compare fox and the republicans to the natzi party. Then the right said the moveon.org was more compatible to the Natzi party. Neither could be. BUT... only reflection, a few comparisons caught my eye. The Natzi came in promoting change. They created a common enemy. They made the jews evil on every level. Moveon.org has made the christian right the ultimate enemy. they find nothing redeemable about them. Whereas most conservatives can mek freinds with liberals and not let their political beleives get in the way of friendship, I see far too many liberals who want nothing to do with conservatives, and particularly the reigous right. Once they find they are religous right, they wlak away fron them at the least, and curse them out at the worst. friendship is out of the question. Can you think of any other dynamic that is simular? Only the Natzi tratment of the jews is comparable. think about it. I do not beleive Rosie O' Donnell, or David Letterman, or Al Franken among others would dare have "one of them" as a friend. If possible they would have them weare a badge to identify them. I have business associates that I have to hide my political beleives from because they have made it clear they would sever ties to any of "those" religous right nuts if they discovered them. Does anyone out there noticed the same? |
| Newzaroo | Posted – 9/20/2007 7:45:42 PM | show profile Repent Ye' Liberal Sinners... Do the digits 666 ding any bells? Democrats have sold their collective soul to the devil. Beelzebub has taken earthly form as MoveOn.org |
| robsemail | Posted – 9/20/2007 8:25:22 PM | show profile "I see far too many liberals who want nothing to do with conservatives, and particularly the reigous right." I'm a radical, ACLU-moveon.org-PFLAG-NAACP-type liberal. I have a few conservative friends, but none who identify as right-wing christians. I can't even pretend to have friendly feelings toward people who think somebody else's civil rights should be restricted because their imaginary friend doesn't like them. I live in the Deep South, so I have no choice but to do business with these blithering dolts. But be friends with them? I feel pity for them, not friendship. I prefer to be friends with people who live in the real world. And yes, there are plenty of conservatives who live in the real world. My life would be unbearably lonely without them. But people who are preoccupied with how their sex-obsessed god wants everyone else to live are the kind of people I don't have time or patience for. None. I rarely speak to my own father for this very reason. I don't even know who the man is. All I know is that Jesus is freaked out because I'm gay and I fill my life with all sorts of anti-Jesus things. You know, things like science, Keith Olbermann's show, The Sopranos, Harry Potter, Iron Maiden, Kathy Griffin, NPR, etc. Not only that, but I don't like the things Jesus loves, like church, George Bush, the Iraq War, tax cuts for rich people, SUVs, Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly. So I'm one of those people you're talking about. I doubt any of this will make sense to you, but there you have it. |
| m_ovies71 | Posted – 9/20/2007 9:35:30 PM | show profile moveon owns the Democrats just as much as swiftboat owns the Republicans you fool. Get off your high horse and walk the beat. Or are you just an out of demo, old screwball that has nothing better to do than complain for Fox News Channel? BTW, the Fox News debate talking points, was last month's memo. Moveon. As for General Betray-us. He has. Bush has made him his very own pawn, spokesperson, cheerleader for this war. An individual who cannot state when asked, that we can win this war. He should resign immediately. What a brilliant ad. |
| camckay7626 | Posted – 9/20/2007 10:00:31 PM | show profile don't be hatin The idea that someone should be hated for what their political views are is a concept that I find stunning. This is exactly what drives genocide, civil wars, and cable news. I truly have not met someone that I am incabable of liking on some level. I have freinds that would find joy in Bush dying in his sleep. robsemail, I truly feel sorry for you, sorry that your life in so one dimensional that your freinds must mirror your own identity, or come close to doing so. Sad that you are so convinced that christians are idiots for beleiving in intelligent design, when I doubt you haven't read more than a handfull of paragraphs of the scriptures. I enjoy having friends from such a broad spectrum. Like Will Rogers, I have never met a man I never liked. |
| robsemail | Posted – 9/20/2007 10:38:03 PM | show profile I've read the bible more than once, cam. I can assure you that my life is quite fulfilled. I have more than enough friends and close family. I'm happy, thank you. Like I said, I have nothing against conservatives and count quite a few among my friends. If you can't understand why a gay man living in the Deep South would want to avoid religious right-wingers then I'm sorry but I don't have time to explain it to you. Oh and by the way, ID is not science. It isn't falsifiable and thus it can never be tested. If you don't understand that then you don't understand science. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 9/20/2007 11:07:51 PM | show profile "I'm a radical, ACLU-moveon.org-PFLAG-NAACP-type liberal. I have a few conservative friends, but none who identify as right-wing christians. I can't even pretend to have friendly feelings toward people who think somebody else's civil rights should be restricted because their imaginary friend doesn't like them. " Does this mean your against affirmative action ?Does this mean your against busing kids almost 100 miles away from their homes because their school is either to white or black?? Was you a part of the liberal posse trying to frame innocent duke players? Did you ignore the evidence ,and believed the hoax because it fit your liberal views? Do you go around filing lawsuits against anything that has a Christian symbol, yet you never say anything about other religious symbols? Do you enjoy the race baiting that the NAACP does? |
| robsemail | Posted – 9/20/2007 11:24:32 PM | show profile "Does this mean your against affirmative action ?" I support affirmative action, but I think we've reached a point where we should begin to move away from race-based AA and toward poverty-based AA. I support school choice to the extent that it's possible without taxpayer money going to religious schools. "Was you a part of the liberal posse trying to frame innocent duke players?" No, I had a pretty strong idea those kids were innocent very early on. But I was appalled at the non-stop TV news coverage devoted to that "story". Why do the victims of injustice have to be rich and white in order to get the attention of TV news and the outrage of religious conservatives? "Do you go around filing lawsuits against anything that has a Christian symbol, yet you never say anything about other religious symbols?" So far no one has tried to erect a pentagram at the local courthouse. If you know of a courthouse where someone has, then let me know and I'll share your outrage about it. "Do you enjoy the race baiting that the NAACP does?" You mean like protesting the treatment of the Jena 6? |
| Newzaroo | Posted – 9/20/2007 11:32:12 PM | show profile My Bad! I just noticed camckay7626 revived a 6 month old dead-thread. Get current honey. As for you Olbypocricy, it seems hopeless. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 9/21/2007 12:00:55 AM | show profile "You mean like protesting the treatment of the Jena 6?" If the jena 6 was white and the teenage who was almost killed was black,would the NAACP be protesting the treatment of the white jena 6? |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 9/21/2007 12:03:40 AM | show profile Did the NAACP protest the treatment of the Duke Players?? No they didn't instead they did what they always preach against doing, THEY RUSHED TO JUDGEMENT. |
| camckay7626 | Posted – 9/21/2007 2:08:26 AM | show profile dead thread i saw the dated thread, but I quess we all see this is not a dated issue. As far as ID being none science, It amazes me the assumption that all scientist and acadamicians are opposed to ID as being a dead issue. the issue was surprisingly found alive in pre-collapsed USSR. Scientists there found an amazing amount of solid evidence of intelligent design. Since they were not barred from a pre-conceived notion that any evidence that supports ID must be thrown out as unacceptable, it was quite the surprise that they were having an active debate about the issue there. It took 10 years of western superior scientific knowledge to convince them that any evidence of ID must be thrown out as unacceptable. I refer you to a rather bland point of view by college profeesors and scientist in favor of ID called "Mere Creation; Science, Faith & Intelligent Design " If you are right, my life is still one of peace and contentment, If I am right..... |
| chucho | Posted – 9/21/2007 4:57:43 AM | show profile camckay: it's Nazis not Nahzis. PS: Religions that are evangelical (Islam, Christianity being the only two) are by definition condescending to other people's deeply felt beliefs. So spare me the self-righteousness and the affected victimization crap, OK? Christian conservatives are not under any threat of being wiped out by secular humanists. On the contrary, secular humanism is under attack from the Christian right and the Islamists, both of whom who might as well be on the same team since they both have very similar views on social engineering and how everyone is supposed to act and think. (Not to mention they're both Abrahamic faiths based on male superiority and dominance over women.) |
| chucho | Posted – 9/21/2007 5:05:00 AM | show profile Opps, I mean it's "Nazi" not "Natzi" . . . . |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 9/21/2007 7:24:00 AM | show profile 'On the contrary, secular humanism is under attack from the Christian right and the Islamists, both of whom who might as well be on the same team since they both have very similar views on social engineering and how everyone is supposed to act and think' Thats kinda like liberalism. Liberals are the ones telling us what we can and cannot say.Liberals are the ones that are telling us what words we can use and how we are suppose to act. Liberals have been doing social engineering for for years. Liberals are all for free speech unless they disagree about whats being said ,than they want to shut you down. Evil Christians are not out to get you.Maybe you should seek help. To compare Christians to Islamists is sick. Liberals and Islamists would are on the same team |
| noname1234 | Posted – 9/21/2007 10:01:51 AM | show profile ATTENTION PIP... Could this thread be moved to Current Events? I'm not sure it has any connection to TV news. Olby, you've been posting your sad stories of victimization and oppression at the hands of those big ole meanie librils who are apparently preventing you from doing something or saying something (not sure what or how). And you seem to find the duke lacrosse case relevant to any discussion of any crime -- but remember -- those boys were never put trial, never convicted, were completely exonerated and the rogue prosecutor who pursued them was incarcerated. As I recall, it was many media outlets who were the ones who started raising questions about the prosecutor's case. so i'm not sure that example is exactly on par with some of the other miscarriages of justice going on now -- and it's no way comparable to what historically has happened to people of color, especially african-americans, in this country. rather than throwing up useless "reverse" hypotheticals -- "if" so-and-so happened then i just KNOW them librils would do whatever -- why can't you just discuss the whatever the issue at hand is rather than projecting your fantasies of how you just KNOW other people would behave? And ps -- i am posting here, so no, i'm not the same person as crimedog, despite your previous speculation. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 9/21/2007 11:11:54 AM | show profile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIqD1GCvedw Explain to me the difference between what D.L. Hughley and Imus said. Why wasn't the media has outraged at him , like they were at Imus? |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 9/21/2007 11:30:46 AM | show profile Duke lacrosse case will always be a great example of liberal bias in the media. It will always been seen has a example of how liberals rush to judgement , while preaching we should never rush to judgement. |
| chucho | Posted – 9/21/2007 12:05:49 PM | show profile Hughley is black; Imus is white. That's your short answer. You long answer is that I agree completely that it's a double standard. I disagree that this is evidence of a vast liberal media conspiracy, however. If you want good skewering of the double standard of media's outrage over Imus, you should read this: http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/50726/ Imus wouldn't know the word "nappy headed ho" had it not been for the entertainment industry's advocacy of lauding criminality and mysogyny as a sign of "blackempowerment", which s perpetuated by predominantly white music industry leaders selling their racism to white suburban youths. (In my opinion, this is a sign that the meia industry is NOT liberal, but in fact they simply worship at the altar of money. Olby is right, but he's making an incorrect deduction. Hugley, as a black man, is supposedly allowed to make these comments while stodgy old white fart witha cowboy hat can't. This isn't liberalism, by the way, so don't put that shit on us. Real liberals rarely watch teevee much less give a shit what celebrities do and say. |
| chucho | Posted – 9/21/2007 12:06:08 PM | show profile PS: Similarities between Christian "policies" and Islamist "policies": #1.) Both say human life begins at conception and both want to outlaw a woman's right have an abortion (this is a very important issue and a very important smiliarity); #2.) Both engage in funding evangelical ideologies abroad: be it through Bush's "faith based organizations" (which never funds any organization that isn't Christian) or "Dawa organizations" (Islamic perpetuation centers, the Saudi-funded ones exporting a particularly awful strain of orthodox Sunni beliefs); #3.) Both advocate abstinence-only sex education policies (in fact, to both Christians and Muslims, there are no moral alternative forms of preventative advice); #4.) Both advocate a church/state unification through the propaganda abut how it's impossible for morality and the faith to be de-linked; #5.) Both advocate pre-divorce counseling by religious counselors (in fact many Christian universities in the USA will expel married students for getting divorces, which is more extreme than most universities in the Muslim world); #6.) Both refuse to teach contraceptive use as a AIDs prevention technique because it goes agianst the identical views on pre-marital sexual intercourse (therefore they cannot avocate life-saving advice because it goes against their moral views) #7.) This one's kinda fun: Christian actually took "Amen" from the Arabic "Ameen", where it had been used going back to Hebrew times in the Abrahamic tradition and only later adoped by Chrisitans. I could go on in grander philosophical issues -- both beleive in the return of Jesus Christ, who is also a prophet of Islam mentioned with deep love and admiration in the Quran (along witgh Mary and the disciples). Both beleive int he apocalypse and how all good people are going to be instantly zapped to the Kingdom of God and bad people will be "left behind". Right wing Christian groups and Extremeist Islamic groups both wave around the Elders of Zion bullshit, deny the Holocaust and consider Jews to be devils using the same racist rhetoric. |
| chucho | Posted – 9/21/2007 12:15:25 PM | show profile I just want to again urge anyone who thinks the Imus fiasco is evidence of liberal double standards to read Matt Taibbi's column. Taibbi is a liberal who would very much agree with Olby's Imus comment. The difference is Taibbi doesn't do circular logic. Basically what Olby is saying with his Imus comment is this: The media is liberal because it skewered Imus, therefore the liberal media has a double stadard. In fact, one didn't need to be liberal to skewer Imus and people who defend skewering Imus aren't liberal because they don't believe in freedom of speech anyway. In fact, the media skewering Imus (while at the same time celebrating criminal behavior, mysogyny and physical prowess over intellectual pursuits as a from of black male empowerment) is evidence of a media that is, in fact, not liberal at all. |
| camckay7626 | Posted – 9/21/2007 12:52:44 PM | show profile live in the present Chucho, it is time you lived in the present. There is no comparison between muslim treatment of women and christianities. My pastor of 10 years is a woman. There are more women in evengelical churches today than men. you have a lose interpretation of evangelical. most religions evangelize non beleivers as a way of apreading truth as they see it. Even humanists do. Muslims are the only ones that use deadly force as part of their evangelistic method. Christians in america have always supported freedom of religion. help me if i am mistaken, but it appears muslims support freedom of religion until they move slightly into the majority, then pull off the gloves. case is point are previous christians nations such as the phillipines where muslims have started exterminating non muslims in areas where they are the majority. My brother in law barely survived a visit there where christians churches thrived 20 years ago, and know have a bounty on their lifes. Know THATS evangelism. |
| camckay7626 | Posted – 9/21/2007 1:06:14 PM | show profile spellcheck Forgive my failure to spellcheck. i proofread, but find it hard to read (need newer reading glasses). Enjoy the debate though. which is part of my point. As long as we can debate, things can't be going to badly. it's when we lose the right to debate that things slide. We have close friends in Syria. They fear for their safety if they participate in any dabate. Even non religous debates. Although they live under shyria law, it is a breath of fresh air to come here where many topics can be debated. |
