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| Iron Eagle | Posted – 3/13/2007 8:24:56 AM | show profile With the news firing of the prosecuters was directed from Bush's circle - I now declare the end to his presidency. This is worse than Watergate. |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 3/13/2007 8:33:07 AM | show profile Bush be gone... I second that emotion! IMPEACH NOW - before it's too late. |
| Mag Girl | Posted – 3/13/2007 9:02:46 AM | show profile I think I'd argue that it's already too late, given the damage he's done! |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 3/13/2007 10:43:55 AM | show profile .. worst.... president... ever.... by .... far... |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 3/13/2007 7:57:18 PM | show profile more to come in the next few days...look for Gonzalez being forced to resign. |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 3/14/2007 1:30:59 PM | show profile Don't go messing with my hopes with such titles, Jazz. Bush's whole crowd should have been run outta town on a rail years ago. |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 3/14/2007 1:54:04 PM | show profile Mag Girl... I have a dream. Yes, I know it is too late to stop them from what they have already done, but I meant too late in that they should be impeached, arrested and tried for crimes against humanity along with abuse of power, etc...etc...etc...WHILE they are STILL in office. Once they are out of office, people will move on, there will be other fish to fry and some people might not want to bother and leave all their wrong doing in the past. That concerns me. I want Bush and his criminal gang in jail - hard time, not some posh country club setting. I want to see them in a Chain gang breaking rocks and pulling weeds along the highway on 112-degree days for 18 hrs. Every day - in Texas. Cleaning latrines, bedpans and fed food with feces, blood and rodent poop. I have a dream...that one day, these people will be tried in court for what they have done to Americans and other people around the world. I want their pensions and social security taken away. I want their possessions gained from their crimes and the crimes of their fathers taken away; I have a dream.... that one day they will burn in hell for eternity. Ah...that just about does it. Any ideas of your own, feel free to contribute. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 3/14/2007 10:52:04 PM | show profile Nikon, you may or may not take comfort thinking that possibly, when they die, they'll have the big old life review in which they get to feel absolutely every way in which they affected others. That's called hell, for them. |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 3/15/2007 12:37:25 AM | show profile Ugo, Really that is not good enough for me...I want them to suffer. I want Bush to face every family member of every soldier who has died in this war and tell them to their faces why they loved one died for oil and power. I want him to tell them why he didn't allow their loved one to be honored and acknowledged when their bodies, that gave to their country, arrived back on US soil and were hidden away for the shame of what he has done. I want him to face all the families of the dead innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and tell them why their loved ones died so he and his friends could profit, and continue to profit today. I want him to go to New Orleans and other parts of Louisiana and Florida and explain to them why he needs billions more dollars and thousands more troops to kill but he has no money or troops to help the citizens of the country of which he is the President, rebuild their lives. I want him to go to Darfur, the Sudan, and Africa and tell them why his heart does not feel their pain and suffering and why he does not call for billions of dollars to help, that he will only give dollars to kill - for personal power and profit for himself and his friends. As I said, he could burn in hell for eternity and it still would not be enough. He is the evildoer; he is the blight upon the earth, for all we know he could even be the anti-Christ. Now...if he gets away with it, he will go to Iran and start killing again. I cannot bear the thought. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 3/15/2007 2:07:55 PM | show profile You go, Nikon! For now on I'm going to call you Little Hugo. |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 3/15/2007 2:55:48 PM | show profile ;-) |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 3/18/2007 8:51:46 AM | show profile Joe Conason gives some historical context in the NY Observer: Someday, historians will wonder why the highest officials in the Bush Justice Department believed that they could inflict heavy-handed political abuse on federal prosecutors-and get away with it. The punishment of the eight dismissed U.S. Attorneys betrays a strong sense of impunity in the White House, as if the President and his aides assumed that nobody would complain about these outrages or attempt to hold them accountable. That confidence was understandable, of course, after so many years of living with a docile press corps and a compliant Congress. And the precedent for this misconduct was set long ago. There was once another Republican prosecutor who insisted on behaving professionally instead of obeying partisan hints from the White House. His name was Charles A. Banks, and the Washington press corps said nothing when he was punished for his honesty by the administration of the first President Bush |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 3/19/2007 9:17:47 AM | show profile Bush Management Style In a nutshell, he values loyalty above competence, delegates far too much, and basically isn't very curious/doesn't care about too much. All he wants to do... is have some fun (on his bike). *** Bush's Hands-Off Management Style Contributes to Political Woes President George W. Bush's insular management system, which values loyalty and old Texas ties while discouraging dissent, may be at the root of the political misfortunes undermining his presidency. ...The firestorm over the U.S. attorneys spotlights Bush's reliance on Texas advisers. E-mails show Miers, who has left the government, was involved in the ousters; congressional Democrats are threatening to subpoena Rove over his role; and Gonzales is fighting calls for his resignation. Some former top Bush aides say the president has sent signals that he tunes out of much of the daily ebb and flow of governing. In ``The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O'Neill,'' the former Treasury secretary described an hour-long meeting with the president on economic policy during which ``the president said nothing.'' Uncurious That caused O'Neill, who was forced out in December 2002, to wonder ``if the president didn't know the questions to ask, or did he know and just not want to know the answers?'' John Dilulio, the former director of Bush's office of faith- based initiatives, is also quoted in the book as saying that during his eight months at the White House he heard ``not three meaningful, substantive policy discussions'' on what Bush touted as a major priority. ...Even as Texas governor, Bush was ``sweeping in his acts of delegation,'' said Fred I. Greenstein, a professor of politics at Princeton University, in New Jersey. Bush halved the time, to 15 minutes, for reviewing death penalty cases. When a report was issued on a 1999 accident that killed 12 Texas A&M students, Bush ``read neither the report nor its executive summary, leaving it to his aides'' to summarize the conclusions, Greenstein wrote in a study. The consequences of a hands-off style are no academic matter, Greenstein said. ``The danger is somebody who doesn't explore issues in depth, and relies on subordinates, may end up with a misguided mission.'' Bush can be direct about his desire to be left alone. Even when biking with acquaintances, he asks them to lag behind -- so he can enjoy at least the illusion of solitude. ...``The only way to stay in touch with reality is through your chief of staff -- but also through your own desire to know what the hell is going on,'' Panetta said. ...Some say Bush's detached style has created a vacuum at the White House that vests too much authority in the hands of a few trusted aides. Bloomberg |
| NorthernBlue | Posted – 3/19/2007 3:07:30 PM | show profile zzzzzzzz, if Iraq succeeds, he will be looked at historians as one of the best presidents in history for riding the public opinion storm to create a middle east democracy... We have seen what poll-driven presidencies lead to in Bill Clinton. He used polls in his decision not to kill Bin Laden and look where that got us...A freaking attack on the WTC, Pentagon, and if it weren't for some brave souls, Congress/Whitehouse. |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 3/19/2007 3:23:51 PM | show profile What color is the sky in your world, NB? |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 3/21/2007 9:28:49 AM | show profile Nice editorial in today's NYTimes... *** In nasty and bumbling comments made at the White House yesterday, President Bush declared that ?people just need to hear the truth? about the firing of eight United States attorneys. That?s right. Unfortunately, the deal Mr. Bush offered Congress to make White House officials available for ?interviews? did not come close to meeting that standard. Mr. Bush?s proposal was a formula for hiding the truth, and for protecting the president and his staff from a legitimate inquiry by Congress. Mr. Bush?s idea of openness involved sending White House officials to Congress to answer questions in private, without taking any oath, making a transcript or allowing any follow-up appearances. The people, in other words, would be kept in the dark. The Democratic leaders were right to reject the offer, despite Mr. Bush?s threat to turn this dispute into a full-blown constitutional confrontation. ...It is hard to imagine what, besides evading responsibility, the White House had in mind. ...The White House also put an unacceptable condition on the documents it would make available, by excluding e-mail messages within the White House. Mr. Bush?s overall strategy seems clear: to stop Congress from learning what went on within the White House, which may well be where the key decisions to fire the attorneys were made. ...It is no great surprise that top officials of this administration believe they do not need to testify before Congress. This is an administration that has shown over and over that it does not believe that the laws apply to it, and that it does not respect its co-equal branches of government. Congress should subpoena Mr. Rove and the others, and question them under oath, in public. If Congress has more questions, they should be recalled. That would not be ?partisanship,? as Mr. Bush wants Americans to believe. It would be Congress doing its job by holding the president and his team accountable ? a rare thing in the last six years. |
| mailbag | Posted – 3/21/2007 10:57:50 AM | show profile | email poster IF ? "NorthernBlue... if Iraq succeeds, he will be looked at historians as one of the best presidents in history for riding the public opinion storm to create a middle east democracy..." LOL. Why did you put "if" ? ? ? ? Don't you believe he'll succeed? |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 3/21/2007 12:35:25 PM | show profile Good editorial, ugo. Guess Bush figured that he and Cheney got away with it with the 9/11 Commission--speaking behind closed doors, together, off the record, unrecorded, no transcript, and no oath--that he could get away with it again. Why would anyone, then or now, who claims he wants the "truth" to come out refuse to testify on the record and under oath? |
