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Topic: Stelter's 6 months of silence
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| brother-trucker | Posted – 6/14/2007 8:40:50 PM | show profile Caught this nugget on the liberal Huffington Post blog, which of course loves Brian Stelter. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/06/12/stelter-to-new-york-times_n_51777.html "His last day will be July 20, 2007 ? which means, according to a non-compete clause in his Mediabistro contract, that he will be precluded from reporting on cable news for six months." Hooray! Maybe Stelter he can do an internship at a cable news network during that time, since he's never worked a day in the industry in his life. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 6/14/2007 10:07:59 PM | show profile brother - you are sick in the head! |
| noname1234 | Posted – 6/14/2007 10:14:47 PM | show profile so working in an industry is a prerequesite for a journalist to cover it? wow better let all those repoters covering medicine, the stock market or outer space know that -- not to mention tell the movie critics out there that they better start directing their own flicks, pronto! |
| brother-trucker | Posted – 6/14/2007 11:39:45 PM | show profile There's a difference. Being a reporter, i.e. simply reporting on what an industry is up to can be done without any experience in said industry. Being an analyst or critic, which Stelter has been on this site for years by ripping certain networks, criticizing journalists, making fun of screen graphics and mistakes, etc., is entirely different. Brian Stelter has never worked or interned a single day in cable television so he has no knowledge of how the industry works. |
| LiveNewsToday | Posted – 6/15/2007 4:15:33 AM | show profile I do agree there - I'm a TD for a news channel and it does amuse me how these blogs make ill-informed comments about technical on-air issues. Little do they know what a small miracle it is that news programming goes out with as few faults as it does most of the time when you consider the number of humans and humans operating computers and equipment, involved in the mix. |
| TruthOut | Posted – 6/15/2007 10:00:59 AM | show profile Exactly. And the fact that he's gotten a job with the NY Times tells you just how far down the standards have gone in the news industry. The kid has no experience other than a blog where he spent half the time posting questions "Does anyone know???" Do they not teach you in J-school anymore that you don't pose questions on a blog and wait for the email replies to roll in--you get off your fat butt, you pick up the phone or shoot someone an email and ASK them--it's called checking your sources and interviewing people. Anyone who has ever worked in the industry knows that's the drill, but not Brian. I imagine he'll find out pretty fast though-or the NY Times will find out pretty fast he relies upon his "friends" to shoot him self-promoting emails. Who knows? Maybe that's exactly what they are looking for but I've long said that you shouldn't make friends out of the people you've been sent to cover. Be friendly, but not friends. It ruins any sort of objectivity of your subject you might have and I think we all know from his blog that Brian is sorely lacking in background knowledge of the industry itself and fairness and objectivity in general. |
| noname1234 | Posted – 6/15/2007 11:40:46 AM | show profile his job at the times is a position that is in line with his level of experience, from what I can tell from what i've read. Stelter started his blog on his own, from a dorm room -- he didn't have any backing or distribution from a big media company -- and built his audience on his own, strictly via word of mouth from people who ARE in the industry and presumably would know bullshit if they saw it and are completely capable of clicking over to some other website if his wasn't cutting it. It was only AFTER his blog built a large audience that Mediabistro (hardly a giant media outlet in its own right) brought it into its fold. While you guys have spent months and months and months and months hating on this kid for -- what? having the audacity to single-handedly start a business and grab the attention of important people in an industry, while starting with NO connections, NO industry backing, from a DORM ROOM for god's sake -- Stelter's parlayed himself into a great entry-level journalism job. As I mentioned before, HIS BLOGGING JOB IS NOW OPEN! Your guys' dream has come true! I can think of NO reason why any of you shouldn't be putting your money where your mouths (or anonymous typing fingers are) and APPLYING TODAY! |
| noname1234 | Posted – 6/15/2007 11:54:45 AM | show profile ps Brother -- "analysts and critics" ply their trade ALL THE TIME without having working in the industry -- in fact, that's pretty standard -- how many movie critics have actually made a movie? Book critics have written a novel? there's just no precedent in journalism that you MUST have worked in any industry to cover it or critique it. While I don't read stelter's blog with the intensity and passion that some of you do -- never heard of it in fact til BT started publicizing it so vigorously -- the fact is, a number of prominent people in journalism have gone on record as being fans -- Brian Williams, Jeff Jarvis, Nikki Finke are just three I've read recently myself extolling his virtues. The non-fans include such luminaries as Brother Trucker, One2Three, and the guy who writes Olbermann Watch. Yeah, Stelter must be crying in his beer as he's packing up his stuff to move to NYC. |
| One2Three | Posted – 6/15/2007 12:04:33 PM | show profile Oh wow noname1234 3 liberals love B.S. .Thats just so hot. |
| noname1234 | Posted – 6/15/2007 1:43:20 PM | show profile one2three you crack me up. Anytime anything happens in the media you don't agree with, it's those "goddam librals!" Of course, those liberals actually have, you know, successful careers in the industry and share opinions under their own names, unlike, say... Do you even know who the people who I listed are? Probably not, since they're not mentioned too often on Olbermannwatch. I honestly post here occasionally just when i'm in need of a chuckle. And you never fail. Thanks! |
| JohnJacobs | Posted – 6/15/2007 2:41:41 PM | show profile "Hooray! Maybe Stelter he can do an internship at a cable news network during that time, since he's never worked a day in the industry in his life." brother-trucker, I'm not trying to be confrontational here but what exactly is your experience in this industry? I glance at these boards once in a while and I constantly see you doling out what you consider to be advice for Brian Stelter and criticizing him for not having "real" news experience, implying you have, and yet you also frequently give false information, regarding the importance of demo ratings and your above description of what makes a true analyst or critic, for example, which is knowledge even the earliest rookies in the news business, or even people who simply follow the news business, should be well aware of. |
| brother-trucker | Posted – 6/15/2007 3:06:52 PM | show profile Students who've done week-long internships in cable news have more experience than him. I have never presented false demo information. I have said repeatedly that advertisers consider Live ratings, which include total viewers and the 25-54 demo. Brian Stelter uses "Live Plus" ratings, which no advertisers presently consider. MSNBC coincidentally used those ratings and in another pure coincidence, Countdown with Keith Olbermann gets the biggest boost out of any cable news show because of these ratings. Here's the problem, though. MSNBC just signed a deal to begin using Live +3 ratings with a major advertiser! The advertisers, like every other, is refusing to use the Live Plus ratings. (Hat tip to Inside Cable News for the link): http://www.tvweek.com/news/2007/06/nbc_seals_first_upfront_sale_b.php |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 6/15/2007 3:17:12 PM | show profile brother - it's obvious you want to jump the boy's shorts - but you missed the chance. Why not flirt with one2three for awhile or at least train him to express one sustainable thought. |
| One2Three | Posted – 6/15/2007 3:27:06 PM | show profile Jazz brother - it's obvious you want to jump the boy's shorts I doubt he wants your leftovers Jazz |
| One2Three | Posted – 6/15/2007 3:29:31 PM | show profile have a chuckle and a smile and shut the **** up .Bye bye |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 6/15/2007 3:38:23 PM | show profile come on one2three - if brother is willing to take you under his arm pit just think where you'll be eight months from now. Back at your old job at the soup kitchen. |
| JohnJacobs | Posted – 6/15/2007 3:47:52 PM | show profile Even there you showed that you really aren't familiar with the industry. Yes, you're right that advertiser's are reluctant to pay for live plus data, but "refusing" isn't the right word at all. These negotiations had been going on between the broadcasters (that's ALL broadcasters, NBC Universal, Viacom, News Corp. and Disney) for well over a year now with each side attempting to make some headway and giving and taking suggestions from one another. This is not an "MSNBC" thing as you seem to think, it's inustry wide. And yes, NBC (NOT MSNBC, as you stated. This deal includes all NBC Universal owned broadcast and cable networks) signed a first of its kind deal with M. So, obviously, not ALL advertisers are "refusing" to make these arrangements. In the very same paragraph that you pointed out NBC has signed such a contract with a major advertiser, you claimed advertisers refuse to sign such a contract.. I don't see where this is a "problem", or how this has anything to do with TVNewser. You're logic is very questionable at best. And for the record, you have at least a couple times on these boards sarcastically referred to the importance of the demo numbers, implying that they aren't important, when in fact demo numbers are one of the most important factors taken into consideration when setting advertiser rates. |
| One2Three | Posted – 6/15/2007 4:16:32 PM | show profile jazzreport come on one2three - if brother is willing to take you under his arm pit just think where you'll be eight months from now. Back at your old job at the soup kitchen Will i have my tongue between his butt cheeks like you do/have?? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 6/15/2007 4:51:16 PM | show profile 'Will i have my tongue between his butt cheeks' one2three I suspect you will - it's all part of that one on one training. You'll then move on to be Brian Skelter's butt hankey. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 6/16/2007 1:03:19 PM | show profile word up |
| LiveNewsToday | Posted – 6/16/2007 1:30:51 PM | show profile mmmmm cum & butt-gravey soaked 1-2-3 face...there's a picture. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 6/16/2007 6:15:18 PM | show profile that's a picture he'd hang in his bedroom. |
| One2Three | Posted – 6/16/2007 7:38:05 PM | show profile liberals do love gay anal sex .Oh those beautiful minds |
| robert.seidman | Posted – 6/16/2007 8:23:24 PM | show profile Oh MY - you people are hysterical I think I belly laughed at the jealous envy here. Brian, GOOD FOR YOU going to the NYT. It seems to me that you're just much smarter than the people who posted enviously about how you'd never worked a day in the industry. What they don't get (because there minds are nowhere near as expansive as yours is) is that it's a lot more valuable to be really smart and able to communicate effectively than to be lacking in those skill and have industry experience. It seems to me the news industry, including the executives that many of these jealous folks work for, read you religously. Let's see, what would I value, someone who figured out how to get an entire industry reading his publication or the opinions of someone who does have industry experience but never accomplished any of that? I think you know which I'd pick. Even though they have experience and you don't they themselves can't stop reading you. It's fascinating. Good luck w/your new job and congratulations! |
| robert.seidman | Posted – 6/16/2007 8:24:12 PM | show profile Oh MY - you people are hysterical!! I think I belly laughed at the jealous envy here. Brian, GOOD FOR YOU going to the NYT. It seems to me that you're just much smarter than the people who posted enviously about how you'd never worked a day in the industry. What they don't get (because there minds are nowhere near as expansive as yours is) is that it's a lot more valuable to be really smart and able to communicate effectively than to be lacking in those skill and have industry experience. It seems to me the news industry, including the executives that many of these jealous folks work for, read you religously. Let's see, what would I value, someone who figured out how to get an entire industry reading his publication or the opinions of someone who does have industry experience but never accomplished any of that? I think you know which I'd pick. Even though they have experience and you don't they themselves can't stop reading you. It's fascinating. Good luck w/your new job and congratulations! |
