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| Iron Eagle | Posted – 7/2/2007 6:18:13 PM | show profile If there was ever any doubt about this being the most corrupt administration in history - in one broad stroke Bush sealed his fate. This is digusting and enough to begin articles of impeachment! |
| mailbag | Posted – 7/2/2007 6:35:10 PM | show profile | email poster omg - jazz. I DID NOT believe you. I thought you were joking. And now I can't believe what I'm reading... |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 7/2/2007 6:49:56 PM | show profile Bush MUST commute Libby's sentence - or Libby will spill on Cheney and Bush and their little part in the whole scenario. I expect Libby to turn up dead in the not too distant future as they can never be sure he won't talk someday... Justice, honour and truth are just meaningless words in the political world. They do and get away with whatever and however they must. R-wingers...I know Clinton did the same thing. It is not right no matter which side is sliding the door open to freedom for a few favours. Politics is a dirty corrupt business. They all stink of it. Somebody get me a busket...I'm gonna puke now. |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 7/2/2007 6:50:07 PM | show profile Bush MUST commute Libby's sentence - or Libby will spill on Cheney and Bush and their little part in the whole scenario. I expect Libby to turn up dead in the not too distant future as they can never be sure he won't talk someday... Justice, honour and truth are just meaningless words in the political world. They do and get away with whatever and however they must. R-wingers...I know Clinton did the same thing. It is not right no matter which side is sliding the door open to freedom for a few favours. Politics is a dirty corrupt business. They all stink of it. Somebody get me a bucket...I'm gonna puke now. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 7/2/2007 9:37:57 PM | show profile The message is loud and clear, prison is only for the little people. You know that guy working two full-time jobs at minimum wage who wants to smoke a little pot in front of his t.v. at night. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 7/2/2007 10:21:45 PM | show profile Libby committed treason and walked away. Bush will be reviled for eternity. |
| Printingman | Posted – 7/3/2007 9:24:39 AM | show profile | email poster Clinton pardoned 177 people before he left office. Reagen pardoned 18 So whats the point. I think W is an idiot as well but why so surprised? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 7/3/2007 9:45:17 AM | show profile Reagon pardoned over 400.. the figure was plastered on the news last night. Get the facts printhead.. |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 7/3/2007 10:36:20 AM | show profile I'm not surprised at all. In the US, there's one set of rules for rich, connected white guys, and another set for everybody else. The lesson is: if you're gonna lie, lie big. You lie small, they'll send you away. And if you're gonna steal in this country, steal millions or billions and you'll MAYBE go to Club Fed for a year or two (where hardship is a wait for the tennis courts). If you steal small, you're off to Rikers for hard time. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 7/3/2007 11:13:02 AM | show profile Tony "Snowjob" Snow doing some dancing at the WH press briefing... even he can't get the WH out of this one... |
| mailbag | Posted – 7/3/2007 11:20:57 AM | show profile | email poster Don't recall I'm surprised and not -- hard to be both I know. I shouldn't be, but since Bush has kept a rather low profile on this case, I was surprised at this point that he intervened. Actually, had Bush negated the fine -- I don't think that would have been such a big deal. The excuses about "hurting his family" is the biggest bullshit I've heard yet. Fuck-his family and kids - I don't give a rats ass about them- let the lazy Libby wife go get a new economy job at Wal-Mart. But the other issue is that Bush went back on his own convoluted words to prosecute the leaky mouth in the first case. The appropriate response of course would have been to "do nothing." Yes, Clinton pardoned personal friends - they all pardon. This case however involved intelligence meant to hide the truth behind going to war. It is not only about exposing an agent -- who is now said to just have been a little secretary collecting paper clips. Now... correct me if I'm wrong you guys, and maybe I am wrong, but just can't recall that we invaded anyone during Clinton's administration. I don't remember intelligent leaks. I don't remember Clinton closing the White House documents to the press. I don't recall Al Gore claiming that he is running his own show independent of the White House. I don't recall, so that is perfectly acceptable response in a court of law nowadays. I do however recall that Clinton is simply white trash. To my recollection that was never worth pursuing. Enough of the southern influence - New England must secede. Won't ever be able to bring the south down where it belongs. |
| Bleak Spouse | Posted – 7/3/2007 5:53:46 PM | show profile This makes me sick. I can't stand either side -- Democrat or Republican -- because they're all bought and sold, and the Republican argument for this is to say: Look at who Clinton pardoned. And my answer to that is, that's no fucking argument because Clinton was wrong to make those pardons. But besides that, this is a lot worse because it's about Bush covering up his own corruption. Obviously he wants to make Libby, the fall guy, happy enough that he doesn't start telling the truth. Bush's message to the CIA and the FBI is: You can out a CIA officer (putting the lives of agents in danger) and you can lie to the FBI. And of course what this is all about is lying to get us into the Iraq war -- about people who tried to stand up to the lying by telling the truth and got fucked for it. And now the war is a nightmare. And what do Americans do about it? NOTHING. As long as we have our jobs and Starbucks lattes, WE'RE FUCKING GOLDEN MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck Democrats. Fuck Republicans. Leaders need to stop FUCKING LYING. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 7/3/2007 7:12:02 PM | show profile Fuck Paris ..please! |
| Bleak Spouse | Posted – 7/3/2007 7:38:54 PM | show profile Actually, jazz, one of the problems is people like yourself who are into the whole democrat and republican thing. You're a hardcore Democrat, right? The Party thing has to stop. It should be about what's right and what's wrong, instead of Right or Left or Dem or Repub. Also, jazz, it might help if you got angry instead of just being a wiseass. |
| Stanley_Milgram | Posted – 7/3/2007 7:57:04 PM | show profile so long, american democracy, twas good to know ya I couldn't stand what was happening in/to America, so I packed up my things and moved to Germany (thank god the americans kicked the nazis out back when the U.S. still had a moral compass). it's not the bravest thing you can do, but at least it means acting consistent with what you believe to be true (i.e., that bush and cheney have flushed the u.s. down the toilet) and you don't have to waste your time arguing with idiotic wingnuts who have no intellectual honesty anyway and just want to chew up whatever energy you have. so once you realize that from the stolen election(s), 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, Plamegate, Libby, etc. etc. that this is no longer America as you once knew it, the question becomes, aside from fattening up the blogosphere, what are you actually going to DO about it? P.S. If Merkel tried pardoning a Libby type character here in Germany, there wouldn't be grumbling on the internet -- there would be tens of thousands of angry people spontaneously pouring out into the street. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 7/3/2007 8:24:33 PM | show profile bleak - big mistake... I'm a person by person dude. I can't stomach Joe Biden, Lieberman, Hillary, McCain, Thompson, Romney, Gulliani or any of those snakes but I do respect Christopher Dodd, Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardson, and a few Republicans. My choice is Bill Moyers! Great man... |
| Bleak Spouse | Posted – 7/3/2007 9:32:11 PM | show profile In the movie Sicko, someone said that in France the government is afraid of the people, but in America the people are afraid of the government. Because the French really take to the streets protesting. But I wonder if it's fear that keeps Americans from protesting, or just laziness because we're too busy watching American Idol and just don't care enough about injustices to make an effort. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 7/3/2007 9:58:06 PM | show profile It's the food consumption...look at Americans - they look like fat gobs of synthetic goo ... who could think of anything with that many Big Macs passing through the arteries. It's embarrassing! The brain doesn't function with that much gunk in the body. |
| Bleak Spouse | Posted – 7/3/2007 10:52:12 PM | show profile sure the brain functions on Big Macs. Michael Moore eats plenty of them and he makes sense about 85 percent of the time. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 7/4/2007 8:42:59 AM | show profile Michael Moore eats at Wendys.. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 7/4/2007 9:06:14 AM | show profile Yes, I do wonder why we are so pathetic in terms of marching, demonstrating, etc. How about this theory, we have lousy public transportation. People think about things like where they'll find parking for a big march and worry about getting stuck in traffic. OK, but that wouldn't apply for a place like NYC and still there we don't see a huge difference. Maybe it's history or the media effectively characterizing protests as ineffective and only for slight wackos (yeah, like that wacko MLJ, jr.)? I wish I knew... |
| mailbag | Posted – 7/4/2007 9:24:33 AM | show profile | email poster Stan and Bleak - my observations too about taking to the streets. Without having lived there myself I never knew how truly apathetic people in the USA are when it comes down to what is important. Protesters in the USA -- theory goes wackos. Protesters in France/Germany -- businessmen and businesswomen, families, all types. Wackos too yes, but not like here. That is why I fully supported Sheehan -- an average 'mom' taking to the streets and she made it seem like it was okay to do it. Ugo, I've asked time and time again what it will take for people in this country to wake up... and again I really think it would come down to being on the brink of losing everything. We are not there. Credit card companies are keeping the middle class alive. That will not end... The poor are an apathetic bunch too because the rich tell them they are lazy. We don't have the mindset here that anything is actually wrong. And I think too that the internet defrays any grumblings, because people can now just turn on a puter - post damning messages and walk away less frustrated. So, why pick up a placard if their point was aired??? In '04 the only good I saw was a possible impeachment. Time is wearing thin now. I still don't see that on the horizon unless it is done right now. (Next year is dead being an election year.) |
| Bleak Spouse | Posted – 7/4/2007 10:18:47 AM | show profile Americans did a lot of protesting during the Vietnam war and from what I understand that pressure had a lot to do with the war finally ending. So what's changed between now and then? |
| mailbag | Posted – 7/4/2007 11:32:19 AM | show profile | email poster Good question Bleak... what did change? These people are still alive -- what, in their late 50s early-mid 60s? They made it ok to divorce. They made consumerism a healthy trend. I know I get on with their parents far better than I do with that late baby boom gen. My very old fart friends (70s-90s) are right in line with me - appalled at what this country has become. Maybe they are just a selfish bunch... they have their full SS benefits coming. They benefited from affordable housing, stable career. I don't have any of those luxuries -- and yeah, I blame them actually for making today's level of awareness possible. Bush himself is in that lot as well. What the hell does that say? |
| chucho | Posted – 7/4/2007 11:52:55 AM | show profile >> Because the French really take to the streets protesting. << And the French are kind of sick of it, too. That's why they voted for a guy who pledged to crack down on it than a socialist that promotes it. There's absolutely nothing surprising about Libby's stay. He took the fall for Dick Cheney, Cheney told Bushie to get Libby out of jail for free. Simple as that. Who fucking cares whether the White House outed a CIA operative in order to slander her husband after he wrote an editorial saying that the White House is lying about stuff related to Iraq? Everyone knows the White House was spouting bullshit and 500 tons of Anthrax and enough nerve toxins to make the human race extinct, yaddah yaddah. Unfortunately people seem to forget that the only nerve agents that have been found were in a stockpile of HOWITZER shells, the precursors of which were sold to SADDAM HUSSEIN by UNITED STATES MANUFACTURERS with the tacit "don't ask don't tell" policy of DONALD RUMSFELD under the direction of RONALD REAGAN on the ill-fated concept that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, a concept that created a whole lot of mayhem during the Cold War, a concept that -- telling from the fact we're now ARMING SUNNI INSURGENTS IN IRAQ -- America doesn't seem to understand is not a very good concept. But what do you expect form a country who doesn't seem to understand anything as simple as you can't instill a Jeffersonian McDemocracy(tm) in a country until YOU LEARN THE FUCKING LANGUAGE for one thing. With all of this going on: I don't give a shit about Scooter Libby, though I did find the incest and pedophilia shit in that bad novel he wrote to be demonstrative of the typical conservative hypocrite. |
