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| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/22/2007 8:04:21 AM | show profile Got to give Christane Amanpour high marks for a most riveting start to what looks to be a groundbreaking expose on religion and politics. No softballs here. Can't wait for part two. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/23/2007 7:43:19 AM | show profile Got to give Christiane a second big cheer - this is a remarkable series. What powerful insights into these three at times suffocating religions. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/24/2007 8:43:47 AM | show profile Interesting look into the Christian right but truly soft coverage. As hard hitting as the first two nights were Amanpour dropped the ball last night making the show look like a promotional video for Christians. Nowhere was there a critical challenge to the myopic tone of the fundamentalist and where were the dissenting voices. This show was so one-sided it was embarrassing! |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 8/24/2007 10:58:50 AM | show profile In name of God.... I also watched this series and thought she showed very good and oft times frightening insight into these religions. Last night's look into the Christian right, i.e. moral majority was just as frightening. She gave way too much time to Falwell's view of his perfect world as if he were the voice of reason. As a woman, what I see on ALL sides, is men foisting THEIR religion as a way to keep power, choice and decision making away from women and to get them restrained and back in the home barefoot, pregnant and obedient. Obedient being the key word here. So after ALL these centuries men are still afraid of a woman's own power, it would be laughable if it were not so true. All this over God, whoEVER?s God?they all think they speak for God. Where is God in all this? Has anyone EVER seen God, has God EVER actually spoken aloud to anyone? Has God actually sanctioned ANY of these people who say they speak for God? Is he a myth brought from the beginning of time, when early man thought fire was a GOD? Would God really want all this killing and destruction wrought around the world in his name? |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 8/24/2007 11:16:15 AM | show profile I'd wager that anyone spreading intolerance, hatred, and death in the name of God DOES NOT have God on their side. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/24/2007 11:25:16 AM | show profile That's what bothered me about last night. Intolerance was showed as a firestorm during the segment on Muslim faith and an Ozzie and Harriet segment of life amongst Christians. There were fire breathing ministers but there's more to it than that. Where were the Randall Cunningham's who ran around with bottled fetus- the Jimmy Swaggarts - the church pedophiles. I didn't find a critical eye during this piece. I realize CNN has to answer to advertisers and they aren't of the Muslim faith. Jerry Flawell came off as a loveable decider of who's a real Christian. The guy was a monster! |
| soulman | Posted – 8/24/2007 1:21:17 PM | show profile God's Warriors crimedog, I observed your comment about right-wing wackjobs who carry fetuses around in bottles. A couple of points my friend....The name is Randall Terry, not Cunningham. And one more point. Since it is often argued that a fetus is just a blob, piece of tissue, etc., then what's wrong with Mr. Terry carrying it around in a bottle? I mean, what's the difference between what he carried around and someone carrying a jar of mayonnaise? It's nothing, right? I'll never understand why people get so upset over photos of abortions being published for the public to see......if it's nothing, then what's the problem? |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 8/24/2007 1:26:06 PM | show profile Who is Randall Cunningham??? You mean the ex QB? |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 8/24/2007 1:28:06 PM | show profile Any mention of Al Sharpton causing race riots ? Any mention of Fredi's Fashion Mart??? At protest outside this store the Rev. Al used words like "white interloper" and "bloodsucking Jews". A liberal democrat follower of his got the word. He walk in the store telling all the black customers to leave.He set the store on fire killing 7 people. I guess the Christian left can get away with whatever they want |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/24/2007 2:36:33 PM | show profile Meant Randall Terry..you mean a carrying fetus around for expolitative purposes is a cool thing - then you might want to rethink your thinking. |
| soulman | Posted – 8/24/2007 5:26:43 PM | show profile God's Warriors crimedog, let me say this again, only more slowly this time so you can understand it. According to conventional thinking, what Randall Terry carried around in a jar was nothing. A blob, mass, clump of something. No different than a jar of mayo. How can one possibly exploit a jar of mayo? Can you please explain? Thanks. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/24/2007 5:58:40 PM | show profile In 1992, Terry, along with Robert Schenck and Harley David Belew, were arrested and sentenced to five months in prison for arranging to have a fetus in a jar delivered to then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton at the Democratic National Convention. |
| soulman | Posted – 8/24/2007 6:09:48 PM | show profile crimedog, Yes, I understand what you are telling me about Terry and his activities. Please try to listen again, if you would. Bill Clinton supports abortion rights, would you agree with that statement? Would you also agree that most supporters of abortion rights like to think of a "fetus" as merely a clump of something that is not alive and non-functioning? This is how the people at Planned Parenthood and NARAL justify their multi-million dollar enterprise, by saying that the "procedure" that women undergo at their clinics does not involve human life, but instead a clump of cells, tissue or some other undefined matter. So, why do supporters of abortion rights get all upset when a picture, film or blob of tissue appears in public or gets too close to their space, so to speak? It's just a blob, so why are they horrified and offended that someone is showing it around? I am mystified to say the least. Remember the jar of mayo? It's just a greasy, non-functioning condiment that sits in a jar. Now, would you be offended and call the cops if someone held that mayo a little too close to you? So, the "substance" that Terry had in the jar......is it really something or not? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/24/2007 7:13:44 PM | show profile Soulman - I support a women's right to choose. I don't need a bunch of fanatics sending women back to the coat hanger factory. This is another case of men deciding for women. I think women should carry a pair of men's nuts around in a jar for impact. |
| soulman | Posted – 8/24/2007 8:09:17 PM | show profile crimedog, Yes, I know you are pro-choice, but wanted to also make sure that you have no problem with someone who wants to carry around the meaningless remains of whatever was vacuumed out of the woman's womb in a jar if they so choose. No crime in removing it from the body should translate to no crime in carrying it around. Fair enough? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/24/2007 9:42:31 PM | show profile soulman - not that's macbre... |
| chucho | Posted – 8/25/2007 8:34:28 AM | show profile Christianity is a liberal faith and Jesus (whom I believe existed but was a human being because I am an atheist) was a hippie socialist prophet (he tossed out the interest-bearing money changers, believed in income re-distribution, passivity, etc.). But Christianity went through a Reformation so modern day Christians don't walk around applying the rules of Corinthians to their daily lives. This is an important distinction. That said: You wanna see a Madrassa? Go to Kansas and look out for the church-primary-school-high-school complex you find in a lot of smaller suburban satellite cities. It sispossible in 2007 in America today to enter a child into a Christian religious-madrassa conditioning from Day One through college. (Oklahoma Baptist University doesn't allow its students to get divorced, for example.) These graduates can then head off to become Heritage Foundation nation-building neo-con churchgoers who believe with the same ideological convictions of your typical Islamist (who wants to turn everyone into a Orthodox Salafist Muslim) in the righteousness of the American Way of Life. Oddly enough, both sides call it "freedom". Bush calls his core constituency "the base". OBL calls his core constituency "the base" (the base in English = al-qaeda in Arabic). These Jesus Freak Nation Builders get important jobs in the US government, particularly in Foreign Policy objectives. (We had a slew of them administering in Iraq, and many of them are still there -- early 20s, Heritage Foundation people, all hired for their ideological convictions.) Just because America uses Boeing-made bunker busters in the name of Jeffersonian McDemocracy(tm) and THEY use Kalishnkovs and IEDs in the name of Their Orthodox Islam(tm) doesn't mean the former is any any less ideologically grounded than the latter. In my humble opinion :^) |
| chucho | Posted – 8/25/2007 11:02:12 AM | show profile PS: Collateral Damage = Terrorism |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 8/25/2007 12:10:13 PM | show profile "It sispossible in 2007 in America today to enter a child into a Christian religious-madrassa conditioning from Day One through college. (Oklahoma Baptist University doesn't allow its students to get divorced, for example.) These graduates can then head off to become Heritage Foundation nation-building neo-con churchgoers who believe with the same ideological convictions of your typical Islamist (who wants to turn everyone into a Orthodox Salafist Muslim) in the righteousness of the American Way of Life. Oddly enough, both sides call it "freedom". Bush calls his core constituency "the base". OBL calls his core constituency "the base" (the base in English = al-qaeda in Arabic)."" Wow , have you meet every single graduate?? If not , i see your good at sterotyping. Do you sterotype minorities too?? "early 20s, Heritage Foundation people, all hired for their ideological convictions" Please provide links,facts ,and that prove this Please provide applications that shows where your suppose to list your "ideological convictions" Are is this just more sterotyping and christian hate coming from you? |
| chucho | Posted – 8/25/2007 12:21:49 PM | show profile Olby, you can start here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A48543-2004May22?language=printer And let me preempt your conflation of my words: I said Americans can enter a Christian educational system from day one to college. I did not say these 20-something ideologues hired for Iraq admin are from that system. I said the 20-somethings were hired because of their staid ideology and their ties to the Heritage Foundation. That said it would surprised me to the least to learn if, in fact, many of these had at least part of their education within a Christian religious madrassa system. Now, assuming your READ news (rather than just watch some hothead rant about Mexicans on Fax News) you can do mor eresearch on my little theiry. But for now I will give you a taste of the WaPo article that everyone should have read (instead of sitting on their fat asses in their Texas Faux-Tudor Ranch Houses on cul-de-sacs outside of Dallas being spoon fed opinions by Sean Hannity and Co. How's *that* for stereotyping?) Excerpts from WaPo article: Occupied Iraq was just as Simone Ledeen had imagined -- ornate mosques, soldiers in formation, sand blowing everywhere, "just like on TV." The 28-year-old daughter of neoconservative pundit Michael Ledeen and a recently minted MBA, she had arrived on a military transport plane with the others and was eager to get to work. . . . They had been hired to perform a low-level task: collecting and organizing statistics, surveys and wish lists from the Iraqi ministries for a report that would be presented to potential donors at the end of the month. But as suicide bombs and rocket attacks became almost daily occurrences, more and more senior staffers defected. In short order, six of the new young hires found themselves managing the country's $13 billion budget, making decisions affecting millions of Iraqis. . . . For months they wondered what they had in common, how their names had come to the attention of the Pentagon, until one day they figured it out: They had all posted their resumes at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative-leaning think tank. |
| chucho | Posted – 8/25/2007 1:44:27 PM | show profile But then again, I guess the Washington Post is part of the giant lib-ril media conspiracy stereotyping poor, persecuted white American Christians, right? From ABC News: The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is now investigating the role of O'Beirne and allegations of what Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., called "an organized and systematic screening process." . . . The committee also asked for all e-mails between O'Beirne and the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, and "other think tanks, political parties or activists." ALSO, INTERESTING TO NOTE: Those lunatics that created that video game "Left Behind" (Where you murder little virtual human beings who don't convert to Christianity) had arranged PENTAGON FUNDING of sending so-called "freedom Packets" to US troops, which included a Bible and the video game, among other gifts: "plans by a Christian group to send an evangelical video game to U.S. troops in Iraq were abruptly halted yesterday by the Department of Defense after ABC News inquired about the program" - From an ABC News report EARLIER THIS MONTH Straight form the mouths of those Operation Straight Up (who has Stephen Baldwin as a spokesperson; he became a Jesus Freak after 9/11 apparently) form the US-TAXPAYER FUNDED American Supports You (it's funded through the Defense Department): http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/americasupportsyou/Content.aspx?ID=44755552&SectionID=1 I'll continue if I have time TO DO YOUR RESEARCH FOR YOU while you sit around waving the flag for Bill O'Reilly. By the way, Olby, have you gotten around to compiling that list of your top 20 sources of news and information yet? I'm still waiting for that. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 8/25/2007 3:43:51 PM | show profile "I'll continue if I have time" I know you have to meet your liberal buddies in some secret location .There you will come up with plans to stop evil Christians from taking over this country . It's also important that you stop the evil Fox News and BOR. One day we will have a good liberal in the whitehouse.Gay marriage will be legal,FoxNews and BOR will be banned,mexicans will be free to come here has they wish. |
| chucho | Posted – 8/26/2007 5:04:51 AM | show profile No, we'll allow Fox to continue to exist, and mega-churches, too. I love how I toss back at you exactly what you asked for and instead of addressing it you say I'm late for meeting my lib-ril junta. Need I point out the obvious? OK, I will: This type of reply was taught to you by the Anne Coulter School of Condescending Discourse: reply with sarcasm that simultaneously belittles and portrays your side as the poor, persecutred ones. Note: You're not persecuted. Ted Kennedy isn't under your bed with a flask in one hand a d knife in his teeth. That kind of fear mongering is not demonstrative of traditional (liberal) American values. If you want to fear "the other" and live in a conservative state: move to Saudi Arabia instead of trying to turn America in Saudi Arabia, OK? |
| chucho | Posted – 8/26/2007 5:09:58 AM | show profile And let me preempt your next asinine statement by saying that I don't fear the Christian ideologues screwing up our foreign policies (that were already rife with problems, like Clinton's idiotic escalation of George HW Bush's Somalia intervention). I oppose them with strength and conviction. IT's not the same thing as the fear mongering about outside forces that the conservatives (and the Saudis, for that matter, which is why you should move there) are so good at. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 8/26/2007 8:27:04 AM | show profile I fear liberals will turn America into south central Los Angeles,Philadelphia ,New Orleans and Detroit. Or worse America will turn into San Francisco .Gay pride parades every other day.Men can wear dresses and make up to work.No tag or dodge ball.Instead of pledging allegiance to the flag ,we will talk about how evil America is. City workers will be able to get Gender Reassignment Surgery on the city's dime. We will stop evil Christians from taking over the world.OMG, they already have a video game!!!! |
