| Back to Home > Bulletin Board > Current Events > Topic: Arresting Officer Sgt. Dave Karsnia |
Topic: Arresting Officer Sgt. Dave Karsnia
| Author | Message |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 8/29/2007 5:33:36 PM | show profile Should be commended for not being intimidated when Craig presented his card declaring him a US Senator, as if that should make him immune to the laws that govern the country which he represents. Sgt. Dave Karsnia showed great character by just doing his job. Could have been another officer who might have liked a little bribe on the side, a b/h job or maybe an executive position on the hill, etc.... |
| JulianOlaf | Posted – 8/31/2007 1:03:53 AM | show profile Sgt. Dave Karsnia I known Cops try to make up stories just to climb the ladder! I don't believe Sgt. Dave Karsnia reason for the arrest! This matter should go to court in order to clear the Senators name and fire Dave! |
| chucho | Posted – 8/31/2007 6:59:46 AM | show profile Heh, just what the Republicans need right now. A trial of a senator accused by an officer of the law of soliciting for gay sex in a public bathroom. I'm all for it! I can't wait to watch fellow Republican congressmen fleeing that boat like a bunch of drowning rats. Yes, bring a trial on! I say "Star Report". I want details. Did he want to be a top or a bottom? Did he want to give or receive oral sex? Did he want to cop to stand up or sit on the toilet? Would buggery have been involved? What a great idea! |
| chucho | Posted – 8/31/2007 7:54:26 AM | show profile PS: Craig himself pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct. As a Senator, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt in knowing what he was doing. Apparently some conservatives are so convinced of their righteousness that they will even disagree with Craig himself and say he's innocent of any wrongdoing when clearly he admitted to a lesser charge (disorderly conduct) precisely to avoid this whole thing going to trial. I don't beleive in entrapment, by the way, but I do enjoy watching a Republican who probably agrees with such heavy-handed police tactics get busted by a process he supports. Had it been one of those evil liberal senators busted in a men's bathroom under the exact same circumstances, the right-wing peanut gallery would have gone ape-shit and Bill O'Reilly would be talking about it for the next 18 months. That kind of subjective inconsistency is highly dubious, and perhaps one of the main reasons why liberals shouldn't debate conservatives at all. That's my tactic when I'm out canoodling and I have the unpleasant experience of having to be in the proximity of some redneck chickenhawk: when a conservative wants to debate something like this Craig scandal, I tell them that I do not beleive in debating conservatives because they're argument changes depending on who's being prosecuted. Again: Had Larry Craig been Dennis Kuchinich, many right wingers would be making an argument exactly opposite of their argument right now defending Craig, based solely on Craig's political worldview and nothing to do with the facts of the case itself. If the naughty person is a Republican conservative, defend him, ask everyone to forget about it, nothing to see here. The right wing peanut gallery will attack the police themselves and call it entrapment and get all righteously indignant about being persecuted by the vast liberal conspiracy to destroy traditional American values. If the naughty person is a liberal Democrat doing the exact same thing, they explode in righteous indignation, attack him, the party and everyone that supports liberalism, make political advertisements and create PACs revolving around the scandal, spend millions on ads in swing states playing the tape of the interrogation and call it the decline of traditional American values. Talk about MORAL RELATIVISM! |
| catlondon | Posted – 8/31/2007 4:43:42 PM | show profile churcho: It's not moral relativism, it's moral absolutism, as in they are absolutely right all the time, no matter how the toilet paper on the floor falls. |
| catlondon | Posted – 8/31/2007 4:52:08 PM | show profile And to olaf, the case can't go to court because he already plead guilty. It's over....he had TWO MONTHS to fight the charges, he consulted with lawyers during that time, and he decided to plead guilty. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 8/31/2007 5:26:59 PM | show profile Craig's stool is toast! |
| chucho | Posted – 9/1/2007 5:01:35 AM | show profile What I mean is that the conservative reaction to scandal is relative to the politics of the person caught in the scandal. |
| MichaelSD3099 | Posted – 9/2/2007 5:03:02 PM | show profile | email poster Sen Craig's Bathroom Behavior As a gay man, I am infuriated by the Senator's admitted behavior... haven't we come far enough to have discreet places for safe intimate contact? And why did Sen Craig vote against hate crime legislation and against civil rights for gays? However, his punishment for disorderly conduct is overly severe to say the least. This should be a minor conviction with minor consequences. For Larry Craig, his lies to himself and others, now result in loss of his career and livelihood, as he has no other source of income. Under the circumstances I believe a good scolding by the officer would have been sufficient. I suppose fines are needed to pay for the officers' time in the bathroom stalls. Gee, what a job! My biggest issue with Craig is the hypocrisy of his Senate voting record compared to his sexual behavior. I wish he would just come clean, and I think doing so might have saved his job! |
| ManhattanMatt | Posted – 9/2/2007 9:56:08 PM | show profile Yeah. "I suppose fines are needed to pay for the officers' time in the bathroom stalls. Gee, what a job!" I think this officer himself is gay. |
| JustSayNoToChe | Posted – 9/3/2007 4:18:22 PM | show profile | email poster Reply to 'chucho' I just read you post about a double standard among conservatives when one of their own is caught doing something wrong, or corrupt, and i've gotta say that I'm amazed that any progressive would make that comment! Lets look at examples: Senator Craig: After it came out that he pled guilty, the Republicans immediately asked for his resignation. Had they not done that, the libs would've accused them of 'covering up' for an obviously 'guilty Republican', but when they did ask him to step down(the right thing to do, by the way), the Libs attack them for being 'anti-gay'. So either way, as always, the libs criticize no matter what the Repub's do. Meanwhile most conservatives agree that he should step down " if guilty"(but some, including John Turley, a lib, think he should,ve gone to court). But when Clinton was caught red-handed, and then lied about his sexual discretion, not 1 liberal thought HE should step down! And when the investigation started, ALL libs(including the media) immediately began attacking the INVESTIGATION, and claiming that Clinton was being 'unfairly treated' #2 example: Gerry Stubbs...Mass. Democrat found guilty of molesting underage male page in the 80's, and sending provocative, sexual letters to other pages....The Dems ran both houses at the time, and so the only punishment Stubbs received was censure, which was voted for by republicans. Stubbs turned his back on the Republcns during the vote and received a round of applause by Dems. Then he was re-elected! Amazing #3 Mel reynolds, Dem. found guilty of having underage sex, and separately of fraud, was jailed, but his sentence was commuted by Bill Clinton. #4 Mark Foley...Was caught sending emails to a page asking him if he masturbated, saying he had great legs, etc. A few members of the Rep. had heard about emails, but the leadership didnt know the substance of the emails, they had heard that the emails were 'too personal', so they forbade him from any further correspondence. But when the true nature of the emails broke, Foley was immediately forced to resign by his party. Most conservatives(99%) agree with the decision, unlike when Stubbs was caught, and got away with it, and received a standing ovation for having done so! #5...Duke Cunningham. caught taking a bribe in the form of a corporation paying $400,000 more for his house than what it was worth, in exchange for policy votes that would go their way. He was forced out of office by the Rep. leadership, and then put in prison for 5 years. Conservatives have no problem with it! #6...Joe Biden received $300,000 more for a house he sold than it was worth, from a corporation. Not only was there no investigation, but he is now running for president! #7...William jefferson, La...caught red handed taking bribes, by the FBI, who then found the marked bills($100,000) in his freezer. There are 16 other counts of corruption of all types involving him. He is still in office, the New York Times wrote an article justifying his actions! Proof of Liberal media bias) #8. Ray Nagin....His ultra-corrupt city government completely falls apart before, during, after Katrina. he fails to evacuate thousands of his government dependent people in the town, even though he knows they have no transportation(proof that socialism will fail, and that self reliance would've worked much better..the self reliant people got out in time!) ..He gets a complete pass for his failures, from the media. But the media are always there with a microphone whenever Nagin decides to blame Bush! He is than re-elected! Amazing, and Libs everywhere stand by him! #9 Governor Blanco...She refuses to turn over control of the National guard to the Feds, but when the guard prevents black people from crossing the bridges that lead out of town, Bush gets the blame from the media(predictably) even though he isnt giving them any of their orders! These orders were given by the state! Libs stand behind her 100% her state has received billions of dollars(60 billion by her own estimation), and yet almost nothing has been done. Billions of dollars that were sent to La. are missing as well! The Libs answer; Just keep blindly sending more billions, but don't ask for any oversight of how its spent by the state and local Dems! When Repub's are involved in corruption, they are removed from office, as they should be. When Dems do the same, they usually get away with it, with the support of Libs everywhere, and the media. Some times they even get re-elected! Now ask yourself, when was the last time that YOU held a Dem. accountable for anything!(other than not being far-left enough I mean)? Search deep, and I'll bet you remember that you usually make excuses for them, or justify their actions by pointing at Repub's mistakes! ------ I was a Democrat and considered myself a Progressive, then I stopped using drugs and started using my head! Now I am a moderate, who hold both parties accountable. A novel idea that doesn't seem to have much support from the left! |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 9/3/2007 4:56:45 PM | show profile You're obviously not a reformed liberal because you smacked at the left through your posting which we'll regard as a book release. Repubs acted fast this time fearing voter backlash since today is the official start line for campaigns. If you look at the past six and half years of Bush the opposite occured. How long did it take to remove Rumsfeld or the dreaded Gonzales? |
| Stanley_Milgram | Posted – 9/3/2007 10:04:58 PM | show profile I dunno, JustSayNo, you might want to consider drugs again. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 9/3/2007 10:16:51 PM | show profile Or an astrology read with Nancy Reagen. |
| chucho | Posted – 9/4/2007 9:45:52 AM | show profile Just Say No: I wasn't specifically addressing the response by the leadership, but rather the blind defense by the constituency. Make sense? I'm talking about the "double standard" response form the hoople heads, not the party leaders. On the other hand, when you say "the Libs" accused the Republicans of being anti-gay when they asked Craig to step down (which seems to be what you're implying) I would like you to cite specific examples of this. (And I'm talking about some snide comment by a Lib on on "MoveOn.org chat boards", but rather specific examples of where the Republicans have been criticized for being "anti gay" specifically for asking Craig to step down by the liberal establishment. Perhaps somebody thinks this way, but I don't consider this the double standard that I was addressing -- that if Craig were a liberal (and Democrat) the right-wing peanut gallery would have gone ape shit about this, just as they went crazy over Clinton's infidelity while glossing over infidelities from their side. I know you're joking when you say you stopped doing drugs and now consider yourself a moderate, but if you're attacking "the Libs" for accusing Republicans of being anti-gay for asking Craig to step down that doesn't sound like a moderate stance to me. PS: Not all liberals are drug users. And, by the way, "moderate" doesn't mean attacking "liberals". (I am unapologetically left of of the modern American concept of "moderate", by the way. I beleive Kerry lost because of his appeasement policy. Most "liberals" in Congress are appeasers. Appeasers have been skewing right for years. PPS: I think that whole concept of "moderate" in America is skewed right: Hilary Clinton did not vote against the Bankruptcy Reform Bill, she supported Bush's argument on the War in Iraq. I do not consider a politician bankrolled by J.P. Morgan to be a moderate. Voting against the Bankruptcy Reform bill is not "Commmie Pinko Left" to anyone except right-leaning Americans. PPPS: America by world standards is a liberal country. Get used to it. People need sto stop talking about promoting social policies more appropriate for North Korea and Saudi Arabia. They know not the implicatiosn of these things. Read Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, then get back to me about supporting the Bankruptcy Reform Bill and blindly giving the president full wartime authority as a form of "moderation" (it is written in the law of the land that Congress' only power to stop war is through the purse strings, so why are "moderate" so afraid to use that power? Especially with crap like this going on: http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/60950/ Everything described in that article has been supported and continues to be supported by so-called "moderates". |
| Newzaroo | Posted – 9/4/2007 1:42:09 PM | show profile Tall Tales from the Toilet... I noticed the man lurking outside my toilet stall. It must be him, I thought... that face, those mannerisms, he's unmistakable. My body shuddered to it's core. Still, I second guessed myself while squeezing a load. My zest for crude sex was rivaled only by a taste for raw politics. Could it be, is it he, once the democrats top whore. His piercing blue eyes fixed on my crotch through a crack in the crapper. Those long slender fingers molested each other as he groped for the porcelain next door. Anticipation filled my private spaces as he unzipped his trousers and took a seat. Suddenly, came three three taps against my shoe. And his masculine hand waved a wedding band. My attention was drawn to the floor. The ragin' cajun' silently pleaded for anonymous affection. I know it was James Carville, because I smell liberals every time I pinch one. Of this, there can be no doubt anymore. |
| Stanley_Milgram | Posted – 9/4/2007 8:14:44 PM | show profile do you think you can take your gratuitous obscenity back to the TV News Corner where you've created a welcoming home for it? |
| Newzaroo | Posted – 9/4/2007 9:29:14 PM | show profile Come on along Stanley! The truth is obscene, it's gratuitous to ignore it. |
