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| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 11/8/2007 4:36:30 PM | show profile http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/11/keith-olbermann-wrong-on-waterboarding-facts-daniel-levin.php More lies from Olbermann. Keith Olbermann got a lot of attention for Monday night's "special comment" on waterboarding, in which he described the White House as "a criminal conspiracy to cover the ass of George W. Bush" and told the astonishing tale, first reported by ABC News last week, of former Department of Justice official Daniel Levin. Charged with rewriting the Administration's legal position on torture, Levin actually voluntarily underwent waterboarding in 2004 to better understand the procedure before assessing its legality. Here's what Olbermann said Levin concluded: "Waterboarding, he said, is torture. Legally it is torture. Practically it is torture. Ethically it is torture. And he wrote it down." Then he got fired, naturally. It's stirring rhetoric from Olbermann, as usual?only it's almost certainly 100 percent not true! According to the ABC News report Olbermann cited, Levin did not decide that waterboarding by the U.S. is torture; he just thought we were doing it wrong. "Levin, who refused to comment for this story, concluded waterboarding could be illegal torture unless performed in a highly limited way and with close supervision," wrote ABC News's Jan Crawford Greenburg and Ariane de Vogue (emphasis added). "And, sources told ABC News, he believed the Bush Administration had failed to offer clear guidelines for its use." In other words, the man whom Olbermann believes "should have a statue in his honor in Washington right now" for making a liar of Bush about torture apparently thinks that, in principle, waterboarding is perfectly legal. Which makes him any different from Dick Cheney how, exactly? |
| bulletinizer | Posted – 11/8/2007 4:45:02 PM | show profile Kill em' all... Let allah sort em' out! |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/8/2007 4:49:04 PM | show profile Waterboading is torture and Olby you are too. I'd love to have you waterboarded. I can see you squeal like a little pig. By the way, since January 1 2007 O'Reilly is up 5% in viewers Olbermann %63. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 11/8/2007 4:51:44 PM | show profile Olbermann %63 5 million flies can't be wrong. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 11/8/2007 4:52:44 PM | show profile Its a shame Olbermann feels like he has to lie everynight.I just wish for once he would tell the truth. |
| JIMBO99 | Posted – 11/8/2007 5:05:08 PM | show profile Come on now Libs.Do we put the guys in jail for traning too? "Historically, we have used waterboarding as a way to teach pilots how to avoid panic if they eject over water and seem to be drowning. Several commenters on our Forum have described undergoing such training. I've put out the word to find out whether waterboarding is still used in pilot training. Be that as it may, I question the common sense of those who become hysterical over treatment of terrorists that is not much more severe--if any--than that to which we subject our own young soldiers and pilots." |
| JIMBO99 | Posted – 11/8/2007 5:21:15 PM | show profile I just love yer math Lib! "since January 1 2007 O'Reilly is up 5% in viewers Olbermann %63." Soooooo,if keef had 150,000 in the Demo and now he has 250,000....he's up by over 63%....on that we can all agree Lib.... I'm sure you would agree that Bill crushes Keef by two(2) to one and sometimes three(3) to one on most nights.....sooooo Lib,when Bill is up by 5% it's on a meaningful number,when Keef is up 63% it's not.... I'll bet most Canadians can crasp that...even you...ummmm,maybe not. |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 11/8/2007 5:26:49 PM | show profile You're up to 50% true, good start. Daniel Levin was a United States Assistant Attorney General in 2004 who was forced to resign over the issue of waterboarding after Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took office. He gained media attention after subjecting himself to waterboarding, under supervision by the military. He later stated that waterboarding is torture unless performed in a highly limited way and with close supervision, and was reportedly working on a more strongly worded memo specifically calling for its prohibition when he was forced out of the Justice Department. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/8/2007 5:48:41 PM | show profile Slim Jim - it's suspected terrorists! That's the wording being used. What that does is open up a universe of potential candidates. Now here's my favourite. Slim Jim's on vacation with Olby in France and the two get bagged by unknown assailants and dragged off to some destination in North Africa and tortured for just looking suspicious. Instead of waterboarding the posse feels it can step it up a bit and decides to torch their faces and feet. No reason to abide by any UN resolution because that free country that preaches human decency now applies cruel techniques. Why not try something new - drain their blood slowly while they remain tied to a bed for a year as they remove body parts with a hack saw one at a time each month. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 11/8/2007 6:17:27 PM | show profile That would work on you crimedog. Olbermann can't tell the truth |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/8/2007 6:42:34 PM | show profile What do you think Olby - can you and Jim stand a bit of blood draining a missing appendage or two each month. Cowards! |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 11/8/2007 7:13:30 PM | show profile Waterboarding is torture. It is psychological torture. Americans have been convicted and sentenced to prison for it. -In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor. Not only is it illegal in the US, it is an international war crime. -In its 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, the U.S. Department of State formally recognized "submersion of the head in water" as torture in its examination of Tunisia's poor human rights record. -In 1983, federal prosecutors charged a Texas sheriff and three of his deputies with violating prisoners' civil rights by forcing confessions. The complaint alleged that the officers conspired to "subject prisoners to a suffocating water torture ordeal in order to coerce confessions. This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning. It was used by the Spanish Inquisition, the Japanese Kempeitai and German Gestapo during WW2. The French used it in their war in Algeria, The Khmer Rouge at the Tuol Sleng prison in Phnom Penh, Cambodia used waterboarding as a method of torture, and of course we used it in Vietnam. And the soldiers photographed doing it were court martialed. |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 11/9/2007 12:41:47 PM | show profile I repeat: Daniel Levin was a United States Assistant Attorney General in 2004 who was forced to resign over the issue of waterboarding after Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took office. He gained media attention after subjecting himself to waterboarding, under supervision by the military. He later stated that waterboarding is torture unless performed in a highly limited way and with close supervision, and was reportedly working on a more strongly worded memo specifically calling for its prohibition when he was forced out of the Justice Department. WAS REPORTEDLY WORKING ON A MORE STRONGLY WORDED MEMO SPECIFICALLY CALLING FOR ITS PROHIBITION WHEN HE WAS FORCED OUT OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. Continue listening to the special comment, "Waterboarding is torture" Levin WAS TO WRITE. Instead "W" had him append an asterisk. But he was forced out of the justice department. Though he knew that he was well supervised, that their were personell there who would save him as the slightest sign of danger. Still he could not silence the panic in his head. It isn't "simulated drowning." It is drowning, they just stop it before you die, hopefully. George Bush was awarded the presidency in 2000, but he took his presidency style out of 1984. Not the year, the book. Anyone who would commit the act of waterboarding is evil. Anyone who would defend the act of waterboarding is evil. If Gore had won the White House I'd still be against it, whereas you would probably be against it too. You are not loyal to an ideal or morals if you defend it. You are not loyal to any religion if you defend it. Considering the threats CREATED by it, you're not loyal to the nation if you defend it. You are loyal only to a man. You are the equivalent of the soldiers who stood firm, side-by-side when General Custer refused to listen to his scouts, advisors, and fellow generals who recommened against going into battle at Little Big Horn. The only difference is this time, General Custer isn't just bringing a few thousand men with him, to die in vain; to die in a pointless fight with no chance of victory. Now Custer is Commander-in-Chief, and obliviously bringing the entire nation to it's knees. Good night and good luck. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/9/2007 12:45:13 PM | show profile 'THIS THREAD is about Olberloons consistent LYING; specifically his LIES (actual lies, crimedog- not just a different opinion than yours) about what someone said.' Bozo Frank - you're one big brain fart. How could anyone be all consumed by such nonsense to spend day after day gushing over Bill the donkey and spew so much hatred towards Mr. Keith. You've been given new posts which deal will serious matters and you can't wrap your head around complex issues. No - waterboarding isn't a place where the tortured screams hang ten! |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 11/9/2007 1:01:38 PM | show profile Or take this link http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu834nTRHnDsBcKxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExN3BqYWMwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkAwRsA1dTMQ--/SIG=12ca6nb09/EXP=1194717048/**http%3a//abcnews.go.com/WN/DOJ/story%3fid=3814076%26page=1 The only reason he put the whole, "It isn't torture if supervised" line, is because his superiors made him. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 11/9/2007 2:15:29 PM | show profile Let's talk about hypocrisy. Conservative Republicans are pro-life, but also pro-torture and pro-war. Of course the neo-cons could really give a shit about abortion, but just use it to sucker a few GOP idiots to go along with their insane policies that are counter to their own interests. |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 11/9/2007 3:24:30 PM | show profile True Hypocracy "We have allowed rampant secularism and occult, et cetera, to be broadcast on television. We have permitted somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 million unborn babies to be slaughtered in our society. We have a Court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye and said, 'We're going to legislate you out of the schools, we're going to take your Commandments from off the courthouse steps in various states, we're not going to let little children read the Commandments of God, we're not going to let the Bible be read -- no prayer in our schools.' We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. And, then we say 'why does this happen?' Well, why its happening is that God Almighty is lifting His protection from us."--Pat Robertson So he's blaming 9/11 on secularists and pro choice people. Rudy Giuliani is pro choice and supports gay rights. So he was blaming 9/11, at least in some part, on Rudy Giuliani and people like him. A few days ago, he endorsed Rudy for president. So at least some people, including the one of the most psychopathic firebrand religious morons in this country Pat Robertson himself, is willing to put aside their belief in exchange for a Republican president. Even though one of the other candidates is in fact an ordained Baptist Minister. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/9/2007 3:38:01 PM | show profile 'Let's talk about hypocrisy. Conservative Republicans are pro-life, but also pro-torture and pro-war.' Conservative Republicans weren't always this morally corrupt. The tide began to change the day Reagan let Jerry Falwell into the inner circle. It's been lie after lie - deceit - treachery and predatory behaviour by those who squeal God's name the loudest. |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 11/10/2007 1:25:51 AM | show profile Another point against you. "This is of course MUCH WORSE than those oh, so-caring liberals who would rather stab a pair of scissors into a newborns skull and suck him/her out with a vacuum than put a serial rapist/murderer down by lethal injection." Conservatives would rather a teenager get pregnant than use birth control in the first place. Of course she finds out she's pregnant and runs to a clinic where she can get an anonymous abortion so her parents don't find out and turn her boyfriend in to the police. Conservatives in Texas fought a vaccination to a type of cervical cancer, because they thought it might encourage under age children to have sex. So in some circles, conservatives are actually for cancer. The fantasically psychotic and conservative leader Jerry Falwell was openly for AIDS. And to top it off, you don't find some contradiction in calling yourself "PRO LIFE", but support executions, killing in cold blood? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/10/2007 8:33:59 AM | show profile ' you don't find some contradiction in calling yourself "PRO LIFE", but support executions, killing in cold blood?' I could never wrap my head around this reasoning. Why don't these God fearing apes adopt and take a greater interest in Darfur - the mean streets of America. There are millions of children in need of care and homes. I think the basic make-up of these types is selfish to the core in breds who wish the world would go away except for them. |
| mscott_43 | Posted – 11/10/2007 10:48:30 AM | show profile Go Keith - Keep Up the Great Work You posters are all a bunch of sore losers. Keith rocks! |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/10/2007 11:22:52 AM | show profile ''newborn baby = lump of cells; "choice" convicted rapist/murderer = human life Hugo Chavez = great leader and champion of his people George Boooooosh = eeeeeevil madman; Hitler Cuba = workers paradise United States = Imperialist pigs' The words of an insane man! The world is evolving absent this turkey and he just keeps getting stuffing kicked out of him. |
| TruthOut | Posted – 11/10/2007 1:14:32 PM | show profile Of course some here (the Olbermann fan club) want to turn this into a debate about waterboarding, NOT how Olbermann twisted what Levin had said to suit his own purposes. In short, Olbermann grossly misrepresented what Levin had said and it's just too difficult for the Olberfan groupies to admit that he was wrong about something, almost as difficult as it is for Olbermann to admit he was wrong about anything. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/10/2007 3:23:16 PM | show profile Why don't you dim wits pick another topic. It's a day after day hate slopfest against a guy who is gaining ground and disinfecting O'Reilly's foul mouth. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 11/10/2007 4:22:20 PM | show profile Lobotomy - "Why don't you dim wits pick another topic?" Pot and Kettle trying to save you from yourselves. |
