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| stvj57 | Posted – 12/23/2007 12:32:07 AM | show profile frank: you said, You are correct, and I agree with you- but, I only point out that the "choice" one makes is that of whether to kill thier child. and i say correct. but i am not makeing the choice for them, therefore i am not forcing my influance on them. that makes me pro-choice. if you do not believe they should have a choice then what do you believe? that they should be made to abort? or to be made not to abort? don't try to make me responcible for other peoples desicions if i have made the choice their own. you slip in this comment as well. "well, its a 'choice' only serves to sugar coat the decision (the "choice) to kill your child. don't make me call you a fucking idiot frank. what about their choice to not abort that you totaly ignored? why do you iterpret pro-choice to be synonomous with pro-abortion? why do you associate only one conclusion to the term "choice"? if i say do what you want and it turns out you want to kill you are saying that i am pro-kill. if i say do what you want and you want to let live you are saying that makes me pro-live. it can't be both ways. and it is not. it is niether. don't get stuck on stupid just because the topic is abortion. i may not choose to favor abortion if it was something i had to deal with directly. then again i may favor it. i want to have a choice and i want others to have a choice to do what they want. by being pro-life you are telling someone what they have to do. by being pro-choice i am telling people to do what? i will answer before you screw it up. no, on second thought lets see what you come up with. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/23/2007 1:08:24 AM | show profile Frank you are not Latino so stop pretending - I'm thinking Klingon! |
| Latin1 | Posted – 12/23/2007 4:29:28 AM | show profile . Come on crimedog McGruff,...your really Keith Olberwoman. Come clean. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/23/2007 9:55:11 AM | show profile We know the most envious Olberman loving dude on planet earth is the infected Frankie Bozo now appearing in drag as Latin1. Hey Troll - no one post more nonsense about Keith than you and Olby - the rest of the world just doesn't care. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/23/2007 3:32:46 PM | show profile Frank - We have "nuanced" the language to the point of absurdity.We no longer have bums- we have "the homeless". No more jungles- we have "rainforests".Bastards are now "non-marital" children. Damn, you're one sick MF! You'd make Ebneezer Scrooge vomit! |
| stvj57 | Posted – 12/23/2007 6:18:24 PM | show profile frank i give up. it is people like you who can not accept what i am saying that just drive my crazy. you are stuck so far past stupid on this that you are trying to tell me what my own views are. while i am plainly telling you my view is to let people decide for themselves. why can't you accept that i am not taking a position to force someone to do something. i am not letting my personal views on the matter drive me to force someone else to do what i might do. if i said to someone i do not personally believe in abortion but you need to make the desicion on your own, you are trying to say i am pro-abortion. frank, you big dummy, there is NO such thing as pro-abortion. i have never heard of a single person that says abortion is the only choice. that abortion should always be picked over birth. pro-abortion is a term used by pro-life people. go out and ask anyone if they prefer abortion over anything else. if they think that abortion should be the only option. i really doubt you would find anyone that would have that view. now try to tell me that people who are "pro-abortion" means that they may not force abortion but they would be ok with it. then i would tell you that people who are pro-life may not force life but they would be ok with it. is that a correct description of pro-life? that they are not forcing it? that they would be ok with abortion, they just prefer life? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/23/2007 7:09:46 PM | show profile stv - nobody's pro abortion that's just and inflammatory tag from the Falwell years used to incite hatred against those who believe in a woman's right to choose. |
| stvj57 | Posted – 12/23/2007 8:01:48 PM | show profile not just a woman's right to choose C.D., you don't have to explain it to me lol. i go futher than just the woman's right to choose though. i believe the man has rights as well in this day of percieved equality. if you only give the woman rights you force the man to be affected by that. i am not saying that the man can force the woman into the final choice, just saying that he should not be forced to be held accountable for hers. here is a point. if the man wants to keep the child and the woman does not, the man is forced to face the result of the woman's choice. if the man does not want the child he is also forced into the result if the woman does. i am not sure but i have heard that s man can sign away his interest in an unborn child if he so chooses and not be held responcible finalcially or otherwise. i do not know if that is true, but it should be. if the man wishes to have no entitlement or no rights to the child then he should be able to do that. he should not be able to tell the woman what to do but he can tell her what the result would be. he should be able to release himself legally and financially from any obligations. same if the woman wants to abort but the man does not. i know some will try to confuse the issue based on their views, and that is the problem. they are injecting THEIR views. if a woman does not want the child but the man does he can not force the woman to give birth. but he should be able to say i am not going to help you kill it in any way, financially included. he should be able to say however that he will let the woman sign away all rights to the child and he will pay for all expenses in the birth and be willing to keep the child if he wants. same as if the opposite were true. |
| stvj57 | Posted – 12/23/2007 8:23:25 PM | show profile crimedog,saying pro-abortion is the same as saying pro-war. i know noone who in all circumstances would choose war over any other option, that would say war must be the only option. i know noone who would prefer war over peace as a rule. if anti-abortion means being against abortion in all but perhaps the most extreme stuations, then the opposite would be being for abortion in all but the most extreme situations. or pro-abortion. same for pro-choice. if that means a person is for folks having the right to make their own decision on some thing then the opposite woud be for not letting folks make their own decision, or anti-choice. pro-life means always choosing life over any other choice. or anti-choice |
| stvj57 | Posted – 12/23/2007 8:41:55 PM | show profile pro-choice (prō-chois') adj. Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term. |
| stvj57 | Posted – 12/23/2007 8:45:23 PM | show profile an·ti-choice (ān'tē-chois', ān'tī-) adj. Opposed to the right of women to have the choice to terminate a pregnancy by induced abortion. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/23/2007 8:53:24 PM | show profile stv - it's still the women's call as long as it's their body. You can voice your opinion and scream till you're blue in the face but it's her call. |
| stvj57 | Posted – 12/24/2007 5:35:21 AM | show profile frank, we all know what the choices were. just trying to get you not to label someone as preferring one over the other if they choose to give others free choice over the decision. just because i favor giving choice does not mean i will always agree or favor the choice they make. do you understand? they may not decide to do what i would do, but that is their choice. you were trying to tell me that someone who is pro choice is pro abortion. well they may be if you call pro abortion favoring the legization of abortion. to be able to have a choice you have to have multiple options available. here is something for you. a lot of so called liberals will say it is ok to abort a child but will object to killing a cow for food. wtf is that all about. they will let you kill a fetus and that is ok but they cry about cuelty of chickens and cows. go figure. |
| chucho | Posted – 12/24/2007 9:25:43 AM | show profile For the record: I am pro abortion. I wouldn't force anyone to have abortions, but I fully support and encourage them and would NEVER look down on a woman that had one, three or six abortions. I would support her choice and feel empathy for the stress related to such a procedure and the shitty treatment women get form the self-righteous false prophets of this world. (Who are often hypocrites: ie Tom Coburn has performed abortions.) Having compassion for people in situations like that is what Jesus would do, anyway (if he existed, of course). I like compassion. It's a good thing, which is why I don't like self-righteous conservatives. In any case: Technically speaking, if you're a Jesus freak you should be encouraging them too: if birth is the "original sin" then those poor little aborted "babies" get one-way tickets to heaven! RAPTURE! |
