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| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/6/2007 7:14:50 PM | show profile ... well you don't destroy a tape unless you know, for sure, that you have something that you really must hide. |
| chucho | Posted – 12/7/2007 9:59:22 AM | show profile The poeple responsible sho0ud be imprisoned . . . for a very long time . . . but I guess that makes me a "blame American first" guy to the right-wing peanut gallery. |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 12/7/2007 12:04:08 PM | show profile I am with you Ugo, just as the Watergate tapes were accidentally erased. The incriminating evidence was destroyed. The list of crimes in GWBs administration should have put them all in jail years ago. |
| crimedog | Posted – 12/8/2007 1:04:41 AM | show profile and Cheney destroyed emails.. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/8/2007 8:58:00 AM | show profile What did the Demorats know and when did they know it??? From the AP-- Rep. Jane Harman of California, then the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, was one of only four members of Congress in 2003 informed of the tapes? existence and the CIA?s intention to ultimately destroy them. ?I told the CIA that destroying videotapes of interrogations was a bad idea and urged them in writing not to do it,? Harman said. While key lawmakers were briefed on the CIA?s intention to destroy the tapes, they were not notified two years later when the spy agency actually carried out the plan. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said the committee only learned of the tapes? destruction in November 2006. They knew and they did nothing. |
| chucho | Posted – 12/8/2007 10:08:37 AM | show profile I like Olby'sd spin. I actually agree with him on that point, but.... this is basically his take: "The people I think are doing a really stellar job running my country and this War on Terror did a really bad thing by destroying taped evidence. But instead of decrying this travesty of justice, I am going to blame the Democrats because they didn't do a good enough job policing the people I think are doing a really good job running my country." Jesus, Olby, why can't you for one fucking say something bad about the people on your side of the fence? Between you an I: you're the one with the Kool Aide problem. I have no problem dissing the Dems, or CNN, or Olberman or even and especially my fellow liberals. But as soon as anyone disses the conservatives, or FN or BOR, you pull out the Condescending Sarcasm Stick and lash out at the "mean liberals". As I said before, you got nothing on progressives like myself because people like me haven't tossed my chips behind something that I then have to defend even in the face of overwhelmingly legitimate criticism. I don't like Hilary Clinton. I don't like the Democratic leadership. I have actually voted (locally, because he was tough on corruption) for a local conservative Republican. Ifanyone is a moderate here, it's me. You can't do anything without spinning an incredibly transparent jock-boot agenda. Your rhetoric is just like the hillbillies I grew up with: blinded by impenetrable self-righteous ideological convictions -- that just happen to be (in so many cases) laughably wrong. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/8/2007 10:40:11 AM | show profile I would like to know what the policies are for dealing with tapes like this. If the policy says destroy, than i have no problem.If the policy says keep ,and they where destroyed,than i will blame my side. These tapes would have been used has Propaganda by Bush and America haters. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/8/2007 11:23:40 AM | show profile Well let's put it this way Olby. A judge ordered the CIA to turn over such tapes, and the CIA instead destroyed them. Pretty clear-cut to me, no? |
| chucho | Posted – 12/8/2007 11:59:05 AM | show profile >> These tapes would have been used has Propaganda by Bush and America haters. << Sure, and you have to wonder about the utter ineptness and stupidity of a policy that creates the propaganda against itself. As far as I'm concerned a country that professes freedom but "renders" (ie sends them to Egypt to have their fingernails removed with pliers) and drowns-and-revives* suspects deserves a bad reputation. I'm with the US Armed Forces on this one: torture produces bad intelligence and endangers soldiers, not just pictures taken by American hillbillies in some Iraqi prison. * Waterboarding sounds like something you do while on vacation in Hawaii. Call it what it is. How's that for hating Ameirca? Is that good enough for you? |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/8/2007 12:54:43 PM | show profile I'm with the US Armed Forces on this one: torture produces bad intelligence and endangers soldiers, not just pictures taken by American hillbillies in some Iraqi prison. Than why does every single country in the world use it??? |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/8/2007 1:05:44 PM | show profile BTW I'm sorry hillbillies beat you up and took your lunch money . You have to move on ,this isn't healthy. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/8/2007 2:06:20 PM | show profile Obstruction of Justice These tapes were destroyed in November, 2005. *** The CIA taped the interrogations of the first two terror suspects the agency held, one of whom was Abu Zubaydah. Zubaydah, under harsh questioning, told CIA interrogators about alleged 9/11 accomplice Ramzi Binalshibh, President Bush said publicly in 2006. Hayden told agency employees the interrogations were legal, and said the tapes were not relevant to "any internal, legislative, or judicial inquiries." The Center for Constitutional Rights, which coordinates the work of all attorneys representing U.S. prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, says the CIA may have destroyed crucial evidence a court said it was entitled to in 2004. The group filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit in 2004 that has forced the Defense Department and other government agencies to release thousands of documents. CCR said Friday it is now "deeply concerned" the CIA may have destroyed evidence relating to Majid Khan, a former CIA detainee now held at Guantanamo. ...In a separate case, attorneys for al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui in 2003 began seeking videotapes of interrogations they believed might help them show their client wasn't a part of the 9/11 attacks. These requests heated up in 2005 as the defense slowly learned the identities of more detainees in U.S. custody. On Nov. 3, 2005, a U.S. District judge ordered the government to disclose whether it had video or audio tapes of specific interrogations. Eleven days later, the government denied it had tapes relevant to the request. The tapes were destroyed at a time when there was increasing pressure from defense attorneys to obtain videotapes of detainee interrogations. ... AP |
| chucho | Posted – 12/8/2007 2:07:45 PM | show profile On the contrary, I think I beat up a few hillbillies in my younger days. I hung with the Southern Rockabilly crowd -- they didn't like hillbillies or hip-hop pseudo gangbangers. Obviously, not every country in the world uses torture. And AGAIN: the US Armed Forces is against using torture so what you just said is literally "against the troops". How patriotic, coming from a person whose the worst offender of jingoistic rhetoric on this board. And now you have come out in direct support of what the US Armed Forces says increases the risks of unnecessary casualties in combat. (Not just because of the tit-for-tat incidences of torture, but also because faulty intelligence puts US soldiers unnecessarily in combat situations.) I've worked in the Middle East and always got a kick reading the crime blotters in the local presses: it seems every person arrested in the Middle East confesses to their crime. I suppose to you that means torture works. I;m willing to bet that you're they type of person who says things like: "Well, if you ain't got nuthin' to hide, then you ain't got nuthin' to worry about." or "Well, he was probably guilty of SOMETHING." If you don't know what I'm talking about, I trust others do. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/8/2007 2:12:36 PM | show profile And furthermore... so I rest my case. *** What The Tapes Would Have Shown By Kevin Drum ..."Interrogators did their best to find out, Suskind reports. They strapped Abu Zubaydah to a water-board, which reproduces the agony of drowning. They threatened him with certain death. They withheld medication. They bombarded him with deafening noise and harsh lights, depriving him of sleep. Under that duress, he began to speak of plots of every variety ? against shopping malls, banks, supermarkets, water systems, nuclear plants, apartment buildings, the Brooklyn Bridge, the Statue of Liberty. With each new tale, "thousands of uniformed men and women raced in a panic to each...target." And so, Suskind writes, "the United States would torture a mentally disturbed man and then leap, screaming, at every word he uttered." So here's what the tapes would have shown: not just that we had brutally tortured an al-Qaeda operative, but that we had brutally tortured an al-Qaeda operative who was (a) unimportant and low-ranking, (b) mentally unstable, (c) had no useful information, and (d) eventually spewed out an endless series of worthless,fantastical "confessions" under duress. This was all prompted by the president of the United States, implemented by the director of the CIA, and the end result was thousands of wasted man hours by intelligence and and law enforcement personnel. Nice trifecta there. And just think: there's an entire political party in this country that still thinks this is OK. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/19/2007 9:53:46 AM | show profile It's very clear that Bush and especially Cheney had advance knowledge of the illegal destruction of these tapes. Remember Bush saying "I don't recall..." That's a dead giveaway. ***** New York Times Bush Lawyers Discussed Fate of C.I.A.Tapes ...At least four top White House lawyers took part in discussions with the Central Intelligence Agency between 2003 and 2005 about whether to destroy videotapes showing the secret interrogations of two operatives from Al Qaeda, according to current and former administration and intelligence officials. The accounts indicate that the involvement of White House officials in the discussions before the destruction of the tapes in November 2005 was more extensive than Bush administration officials have acknowledged. Those who took part, the officials said, included Alberto R. Gonzales, who served as White House counsel until early 2005; David S. Addington, who was the counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney and is now his chief of staff; John B. Bellinger III, who until January 2005 was the senior lawyer at the National Security Council; and Harriet E. Miers, who succeeded Mr. Gonzales as White House counsel. ...One former senior intelligence official with direct knowledge of the matter said there had been ?vigorous sentiment? among some top White House officials to destroy the tapes. The former official did not specify which White House officials took this position, but he said that some believed in 2005 that any disclosure of the tapes could have been particularly damaging after revelations a year earlier of abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. ...Robert S. Bennett, a lawyer for Mr. Rodriguez, insisted that his client had done nothing wrong and suggested that Mr. Rodriguez had been authorized to order the destruction of the tapes. ?He had a green light to destroy them,? Mr. Bennett said. |
