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| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/16/2007 7:50:01 PM | show profile I don't know who would be the best presidential candidate to handle crises, but it's something I'm trying to figure out for myself. Because whoever becomes president is not only going to have a big stinking pile of crap to clean up, but also his or her own new crises to deal with. So who would you trust? I really don't have an answer, so any suggestions would be welcome. |
| Mag Girl | Posted – 12/17/2007 3:38:15 PM | show profile I would guess depends on what type of crisis- economical? Physical? Foreign policy? At the very least, if anything that involves foreign policy/war, etc., my vote's on Biden. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/17/2007 5:35:04 PM | show profile Biden would do well - Dodd superbly! |
| seeattleme | Posted – 12/17/2007 5:43:11 PM | show profile short term, Biden or McCain, long term, clinton or Gore. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/17/2007 10:41:32 PM | show profile Biden really? I'm going to have to look at him more closely. But I do have a feeling that the person who would do best, and here I'm thinking FDR-esque, is likely someone who has no chance at being president. Could be someone like Biden or Dodd, although to be honest I don't know anything about either (and since my State isn't Iowa or New Hampshire I don't count). What kind of crisis? My guesses: - Definitely a messy war to clean up. - Very likely serious domestic economic problems. - Potentially nationwide energy shortages. I like to think of something like the Great (think Greater) Depression. Who would you want to lead? Unless it's someone with quite exceptional crisis management talents, even if they are well-meaning and intelligent they will come out of it beaten and battered (think Carter). |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/18/2007 10:59:34 AM | show profile From Kuntsler From James Kuntsler, Failure Beyond Finance *** ...One difference between then and now is that in 1929 a relative small minority of Americans were involved in stock purchases. Today, a relative large number of ordinary citizens own overpriced houses bought using extraordinarily risky loans, and a large number of institutions such as pension funds, banks, hedge funds, and money markets own fraudulent securities based on these house loans, worth a fraction of their face value. Some other differences this time around: in the background is a "real" economy of depleting natural resources (oil, soils, aquifers, etc) and the systematic disassembly of an industrial manufacturing infrastructure. In the 1930s, many people could return to family farms and get by, even with little money. Today there are far fewer family farms. The nation is acting just now like a crowd of bystanders watching a car wreck that has nothing to do with them -- as though they were just occupying the Nascar grandstand on a particularly bad day. They'll discover soon that it's their own society that's hit the wall out there on the track. It raises the question, under the circumstances, as to whether the next presidential election will have any legitimacy. |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 12/18/2007 11:26:01 AM | show profile Part of me wants to see a Republican take the White House just so the Party that caused so much of this mess will be there when the shinola hits the fan. |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 12/18/2007 11:51:21 AM | show profile Kel that makes a lot of sense, but I just couldn't stand to have another Repub in office for 4 years or more....although I think Ron Paul is a decent guy. We may have no choice depending on how the voting machines are skewed this time around. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/18/2007 12:11:06 PM | show profile I'm telling you Dodd handled himself brilliantly on the floor yesterday. He's smart, shrewd and able. |
| newyorker | Posted – 12/18/2007 3:25:31 PM | show profile My vote is for Biden. I wish people would stop focusing on Clinton and Obama and look at the candidates who have substantial experience like Biden and Dodd. |
| seeattleme | Posted – 12/18/2007 4:42:16 PM | show profile I agree. Biden and Dodd are not only the most capable and experienced, they are the most electable. Clinton is a self destructive bomb waiting to explode, and Obama is just too green and to reactive to whatever the Clinton campaign does. Plus, Oprah??? Ugh. I echo the sentiment that a Republican win in '08 would be the best thing for the Democrats. Because no President is going to turn much of anything around in four years--and certainly not without Congress and Senate mandates. |
| mkelly | Posted – 12/18/2007 4:50:53 PM | show profile I'm still waiting for Detective John Munch, NYPD, to run for office. He's a man for our sorry-ass times. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/18/2007 10:51:17 PM | show profile granitegirl and keltoi, I agree that no president is (likely) going to come out of four years as president of the titanic smelling like roses. I've also said to myself, let's see, which person do I want to see given the Jimmy Carter treatment? So it would be temping to have a Republican in there to wallow in the filth his party has created. On the other hand, with the possible exception of the war, most of the problems won't last only 4 more years... unless someone truly exceptional comes in I can easily imagine that no president will come out victorious for quite some time. There's just too much to clean up. So in that sense, we may as well get a Democrat in there because we can't wait until better times. Of course if we could find a fantastic leader from either party I'd take it. |
| keltoi | Posted – 12/19/2007 12:23:42 AM | show profile Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing Mike Bloomberg and Chuck Hagel go independent and kick butt. They both strike me as clear-headed, focused guys with brains and hearts who aren't afraid to say and do what's right, no matter the party. I am so sick of both the Republican zealots and the Democrat wind-testers that I'd be happy voting for an honest candidate from either party who's got the business of the real American majority at heart, ie, the 98% of the American income brackets BushCo has ignored for 7 years, and the truly moral and spiritual majority out there who don't have to parade their beliefs with smug self-righteousness to reassure themselves that they are good people. |
| chucho | Posted – 12/19/2007 9:33:39 AM | show profile Joe Biden is too in bed with the credit card industry. If you want to avert crises you have to control how credit is provided to the people, and if Biden supports the credit card industry than he supports their products that are specifically designed to keep stupid people in debt. That's find for the stupid people (the average American household carries around $7,000 worth of stupidity, so it's not like we don't need a little regulation), but it's bad in the long run. The current credit meltdown can be directly linked to deregulation. Libertarianism and sound economic policy just don't mix. (Libertarianism should just stick to the social stuff, like marijuana, guns* and abortion). * As Naomi Wolf said recently, the fact that Blackwater is already operating on the streets of Ameirca (in New Orleans) with plans to do crowd control or political conventions int eh future (perhaps they'll test out those microwave pain machines for "unruly" crowds), she's slightly revised her opinion on gun control. With Blackwater USA, I can now see the pro-gun argument. If I had a gun, I'd shoot the first armed private contractor that entered my home (just like the Iraqis should do). But I digress. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/19/2007 9:48:14 AM | show profile Chucho, that's what those emergency detention camp contracts that KBR/Halliburton has in hand are for (but I think we've talked about them before). For national emergencies. As in the natives are getting restless. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/19/2007 10:35:22 AM | show profile Upon reflection, I think we could do a lot worse than the Clintons. ANd yes, I'm lumping Hillary and Bill together as a two-fer. They've both shown they can handle the heat and it doesn't really matter at this point of they get beaten and abused (nothing new to them). |
| Stanley_Milgram | Posted – 12/20/2007 9:01:56 PM | show profile wait, does somebody here actually think that there going to be an election? where people's votes are actually counted? |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/20/2007 10:04:42 PM | show profile I seriously have my doubts. Well, let's put it this way. In 2004 Rove and the GOP knew which few precincts in Ohio that they HAD to win. If it comes down to a few precincts, it's stealable (as we've seen). But I was heartened to see the GOP get slammed in 2006. |
| KappaKid | Posted – 12/21/2007 11:06:17 PM | show profile Joe Biden!!! |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 12/21/2007 11:25:11 PM | show profile Everyone (here anyway) talking about Biden. Hmmm.... that got my attention anyway, hopefully I'm not the only one. A guest I heard on PRI's "The Changing World" shared his sentiment that the next President entering office will have more problems on his/her plate than any president since FDR took office during the Great Depression. Frankly (ha!) at the moment I don't feel that any of them, either party, have the ability to navigate successfully through the current and unfolding catastrophe(s). |
| Jerose | Posted – 12/22/2007 12:09:32 PM | show profile Too bad Colin Powell won't run, although he is 70. He would be perfect for foreign relations (excellent military leader), and he would show up that Condi puppet who took his job! Just bring in a smart, savvy business man for VP and you have a great combo. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/26/2007 10:12:41 AM | show profile Joe Biden??? He will just throw racial slurs at everyone who isn't white. |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 12/27/2007 2:22:12 PM | show profile As opposed to the GOP, that keeps all their racism behind nice code words and unspoken "rules". Anyone see the GOP convention floor in 2004? It was like looking into a big bowl of popcorn. |
| seeattleme | Posted – 12/27/2007 4:04:11 PM | show profile I still believe Gore is holding out. AMerica loves a non-candidate candidate, he can raise money overnight, he can skip Iowa, etc and still pull it off eleventh hour. |
