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| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/27/2007 10:12:06 AM | show profile Finally a true independent study of Fox News This is why more people trust and watch Fox News more than any other cable news. FNC can even get better ratings during election night than any of the 3 major networks. FNC the most trust name in news. |
| JIMBO99 | Posted – 12/27/2007 10:19:47 AM | show profile Roger hit the nail on the head.......... I think Roger Ailes,veteran TV producer and FoxNews CEO, has long heard charges that the network leans to the right...His response to those charges says it best: "We're not programing to conservatives," we're just not eliminating their point of view." |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/27/2007 10:27:29 AM | show profile "We're not programing to conservatives," we're just not eliminating their point of view." The MSM has done a good job eliminating conservatives point of view. Every pov should be understood and represented.I don't understand why some have a problem with that or FNC. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/27/2007 12:08:50 PM | show profile Its nice to have a thread without name calling.Thanks Frank. |
| chucho | Posted – 12/27/2007 12:33:23 PM | show profile I'll comment by making the most obvious observation. This is a comparison of FOX network programming (ie in the same league as CBS, NBC and ABC, not a comparison of the cable news network: FOX, CNN, MSNBC -- the crappy news that comes on before The Simpsons, if you will). Also, analyzing the first 30 minutes of Brit Hume and comparing it to the full hour of Katie Couric and Brain William for 75 days isn't enough to counter the criticisms. Sorry. (Please. Comparisons to Katie Couric? Is she supposed to be some standard?) The main issue: For every 30 minutes of Brit Hume's equal time for candidates on network programming (the networks are losing viewers and have been for years), there's a couple of hours of Joe Scarborough, BOR and other members of the right-wing peanut gallery on Fox cable news (and radio cross the land) telling conservative America that liberals are traitors and Ameirca will collapse if Hillary Clinton become president. Sorry, but this two-page study isn't much of a smoking gun. Just because you believe it doesn't mean it's true! PS: Oh and since one of these people on this thread once said FNS never lies, and then I've answered with three clear examples, let me add another one: FNS and the London Telegraph were the ones who reported that Obama went to a madrassa in Indonesia. That was a lie, too. It took CNN to SEND A REPORTER TO INDONESIA and investigate to prove that Obama went to a private Catholic school. But I digress. (Kinda) |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/27/2007 12:45:45 PM | show profile For every Joe{something that on most days doesn't draw ratings} and BOR theres Bill Moyers Keith Olbermann Jack Cafferty Dan Abrams Dan Rather Lawrence O'Donnell And many others telling us we should fear Bush more than we should fear Osama. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/27/2007 12:55:32 PM | show profile Thanks for clearing that up I was gonna agree with chucho.He's such a smart guy.I went back and re- read it. I think chucho maybe wrong. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/27/2007 1:00:50 PM | show profile Or have a reporter LYING about flood conditions from a canoe I remember this.She was paddling just has hard has her little arms could .Than those 2 guys walk past and the water wasn't even knee deep. Funny |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 12/27/2007 1:34:01 PM | show profile More balanced, but not more fair. Fox News does an undeniable job in terms of reporting on negative stories about the Bush Administration and republicans in general. While much of the rest of the media covers more Bush Scandals than those involving dems. Of course some (Lobo & Olby) probably claim that it is some sort of 'liberal media bias.' Honestly I can't see how Fox News has been "number one for eight straight years," and still isn't part of the mainstream media. Or how the rest of Rupert Murdoch owns the largest media conglomerate in the world, but isn't considered part of the 'mainstream meida.' I think this is akin to 2004 when the Republicans still had control of the house, senate, white house, and supreme court while running the Star Wars parody with Darth Nancy. They controlled the government, but still tried to play the victims. But on top of that there's a reason Bush scandals get so much more air time. Because they're are just so many scandals. I think Bill Clinton and Monica probably got even more air time, and that was just one scandal that wasn't much of a story to begin with. And to prove it, here's a list of Bush scandals I can think of right off the top of my head: -The attourney general firing scandal -The Plame Affair -Gitmo and waterboarding -Secret CIA black-site prisons -The Downing Street Memos -Hurricane Katrina and FEMA -Mistakes made during the Iraq War -Faulty intelligence leading up to the Iraq War -Conditions at Walter Reed Hospital -The compromising of the Bill of Rights -Cheney's secret energy meeting with oil execs -Outsourcing the job of catching Osama Bin-Laden to local friends and allies of Bin-Laden. -Overplaying Iran's nuclear weapon ambitions. (Researching nuclear weapons is illegal in Iran) -Blackwater -Ridiculous defecit spending bad enough to put the American dollar's value under the Canadian dollar. -Signing statements And I know I haven't gotten to everything. Clinton got just about as much air time in scandal coverage from what I remember. And it was all pretty much over one retarded-assed scandal. |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/27/2007 1:49:49 PM | show profile Clinton scandels Clinton pardons Filegate-- had the FBI files of 900 Republicans. Travelgate Lincoln Bedroom Federal Building Campaign Phone Calls Donations from convicted drug and weapons dealers whitewater billing records Years after they had disappeared from Vince fosters office, subpoenaed Whitewater billing records appeared in the White House. Using the IRS has a political weapon. Chinagate Perjury |
| jtjt225m | Posted – 12/27/2007 3:34:17 PM | show profile No doubt I think I put in another thread that I like Shep Smith. The news that the FNC daytime team covers are much better than MSNBC and CNN. From the times I've watched they are covering more stories from around the country. I'll have to read the report, but I would agree FNC does do a better news broadcast than the cable networks. I think the one question I'll have answered is why was a study like was done? I mean why compare an hour worth of news on FNC against an half hour of news with more commercials? I would think you would obviously have a balanced broadcast between parties. That's just me though. |
| newfrickinshow | Posted – 12/27/2007 6:21:14 PM | show profile None of that stuff was really all that big... ...because all the media wanted to cover was Monica. My big thing is the problem with what gets coverage, and generally what takes politicians down is not what should have done it. The Lincoln bedroom thing was kind of overblown in it's miniscule coverage in my opinion. And speaking of pardons, Scooter Libby. Travelgate was a bullshit move by the Clintons, so was filegate. Considering the number of people who donate to political campaigns, I'd pretty much guarantee that every major political campaign has received at least some money from convicted illegal weapon/drug dealers. Though GOP candidates have received money from people convicted of raising money for terrorist organizations. On top of that, a George W Bush supporter should be the last one injecting illegal drug use into the conversation. Whitewater was a sham perpetrated by David Hale. The guy made money off of created companies designed to fail and looting federal funds. His testimony accusing the Clintons conflicted with his original testimony, and this guy was just trying to use a prominint politician to save his own arse. Even "Mr. Conservate" Barry Goldwater thought the time and money going into the Whitewater investigations wasn't necessary. |
| JIMBO99 | Posted – 12/27/2007 10:47:14 PM | show profile Hey Skippy...some of that "Stuff" really was that big! "Ultimately the Clintons were never charged, but 14 other persons were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including a sitting Governor who was forced to resign.[33] Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, forced to resign (fraud, 3 counts) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax fraud) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner (conspiracy) Stephen Smith (Whitewater): former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned. Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud) Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied) Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple fraud, contempt of court) Bill Clinton pardoned. David Hale: banker, self proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud) Bill Clinton pardoned. Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud) Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned. John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery) Charles Matthews (Whitewater): Whitewater defendant (bribery)" |
| chucho | Posted – 12/28/2007 5:35:15 AM | show profile ""Did you actually READ the report? It quite clearly states that the broadcast in question was the Fox NEWS (NOT local Fox affiliates broadcasts) evening news show."" I didn't say Fox local affiliates. I meant Fox news, the national broadcast that APPEARS on local affiliates. The daily Brit Hume that comes on to compete with Brian Wilson and Katie Couric, got it? By the way, the founder and CEO of CMPA is A REGULAR, PAID FOX NEWS CONSULTANT AND A FORMER AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE CHAIR. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=S._Robert_Lichter Thanks for making me check your sources. Why is it that every time one of you guys comes out with a study or report or whatever there's some hidden truth, something that people like me have to go and look up and do the research? You should have disclosed this when you posted this study. That's your responsibility. Or did you know that and purposefully withhold this relevant piece of information? |
| chucho | Posted – 12/28/2007 2:00:36 PM | show profile So, you're telling me you don't even look into the organizations whose reports you cite? Is that a good thing to do: look at the result but not the source? You don't see me farming studies from Moveon.org do you? Apparently it doesn't work in the other direction. Also: why the hell are you obfuscating things by being sarcastic about me spelling "Brit" with one "T"? My other point going directly from the report you cited: that they surveyed the first half hour of Fox's nightly network broadcast that consists of Britt Hume's half-hour news wrap up program. (In other words: you know that channel that you watch The Simpsons on every night? They also have a nightly news broadcast, right? Theres a nightly Fox news broadcast that is nationally syndicated on Fox affiliates (but not to be confused with local Fox affiliates local news!) You're the expert on all things teevee news so why is this confusing? It's a comparisons of Hume's half-hour daily broadcast in comparison to CBS NBC and ABC (as in: NOT CNN AND MSNBC). Does this make sense now or not? Anyway, regarding Brittttttt Hume: I've only watched Hume on occasion (usually as I was waiting for The Simpsons to air). All I know about him is he has a partisan bug up his ass about immigration. The guy;s practically a lobbyist for immigration reform, and whethe ryou agree with his stance or not, the fact he HAS A STANCE beleis his lack of journalistic professionalism. He doesn't even try to hide it. Savvy propagandists are good at at least pretending to be objective. He doesn't even pretend. And anytime a newsman is so transparently issue-oriented, it's a bad thing. And to be fair, they do this kind of crap on other television news programs. PERIOD. |
| chucho | Posted – 12/28/2007 3:56:01 PM | show profile YOU SAID: I have no idea what "Brit Hume" Fox Newtork newscast you're talking about. I live in D.C. and we have a LOCAL Fox affiliate and we have Special Report with Britt Hume (an HOUR long program) on the Fox News channel. THIS IS FROM THE REPORT: that aired on the flagship evening news shows on ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX (*********the first 30 minutes of ******** ?Special Report with Brit Hume?) Is something getting lost in translation here? Because you seem to be unaware of the details of this report that says they looked at "the first 30 minutes" of Britt Home and compared that (presumably) to the full nightly news program on CBS, NBC and ABC. Am I really reading this report more than you are? As I have said before: Fox News programming isn't filled with lies, it's filled with "smoking chimpanzee" stories peppers with hard news. And I have always said the problem isn't necessarily Fox News (because all teevee cable news is really bad if that's you only source of information) but rather than it has so many partisan hacks with opinionated programming aimed at coddling the pre-suppositions of its viewers. I have also been critical of CNN and MSNBC for the same, but I find Fox the grossest offender. Any why don't you investigate your sources before jumping on conclusion of source's reports? Why would you cite an "impartial report" from a PAID FOX NEWS ANALYST?? and former neo-con think tank (American Enterprise Institute) chair? (I won't even go into the specifics of who funds this group -- I'll let you look that up yourself.) This doesn't sound "impartial" to me. And, again, why look at "the first 30 minutes" of Britt Hume? Why not look at the entire program. The conclusions might be the same, but this CAVEAT smells odd to me. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/28/2007 4:06:32 PM | show profile That's the deal - it was a sham report paid for by right-wing money men. How about Not So Fair and Unbalanced. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/28/2007 4:47:55 PM | show profile 'A study released this month by the Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) at George Mason University found that Fox News Channel's evening coverage was more "balanced" than that of the broadcast networks. However, the objectivity of the CMPA, which bills itself as a nonpartisan media watchdog group, is questionable, as the Center for Media and Democracy's SourceWatch found that "nearly all its funding comes from conservative foundations." Huffington Report |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/28/2007 4:50:16 PM | show profile CMPA's claim to be 'non-partisan' is undermined by an analysis of its sources of funding. Information provided by mediatransparency.org [4] reveals that the overwhelming proportion of CMPA's funding comes from conservative foundations. The funding information, covering 1986-2002, lists the following donors: Carthage Foundation, part of the Scaife Foundations - $267,000 from 5 donations Earhart Foundation John M. Olin Foundation - $730,000 from 15 donations Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation Sarah Scaife Foundation, part of the Scaife Foundations - $760,000 from 9 donations Smith Richardson Foundation - $416,916 from 3 donations Thus, out of the total of $2,523,916, nearly all of it ($2,173,916) came from just three sources: the John M. Olin, Scaife, and Smith Richardson foundations. In other words, CMPA received 86% of its funding from those 3 donors. Here is a sample of other right-wing causes funded by these 3 donors, as listed by their respective SourceWatch articles: John M. Olin Foundation - American Enterprise Institute, Project for the New American Century Scaife Foundations - American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation Smith Richardson Foundation - American Enterprise Institute, Hudson Institute According to Salon journalist Joe Conason, the availability of this information does not indicate an openness on the part of the Center for Media and Public Affairs. In a Jan 2003 exchange of views with Lichter, Conason said "The IRS form 990 returns filed by [Lichter's] center redacts the names of all the individuals and organizations that contribute to it, thereby concealing them from public scrutiny. But the watchdogs at Media Transparency have collated the 990 returns filed by the conservative foundations, which disclose their contributions to Lichter's outfit." [5] Huffington Report |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/28/2007 5:14:30 PM | show profile Well, #$%@!!!! If HuffPo said it- it MUST be true! Frankie that's why no one cares what you post. You and facts/truth are always in conflict! Just an asshole for life! |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/28/2007 5:16:24 PM | show profile This kinda remains me of the phoney study about BOR .It came from a school that gets most of its money from liberal donors. BOR calls someone a name every 7 secs.If BOR call someone a liberal or conservative thats name calling. Funny how crimedog and the Huff post had newsgasms over that study. This study they go out of their way to disprove. All studies like this on the left or right should be dismissed. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/28/2007 5:49:13 PM | show profile Frank - once again you run from the facts and call everyone names. It's your occupation now. Yes - you are asshole for life. liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals liberals, liberals close your eyes - we're coming to cart you away in a goat wagon! |
| Olbypocrisy | Posted – 12/28/2007 6:04:49 PM | show profile crimedog i know your Alzheimers is advanced,but did you forget your the one that started calling people names ? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/28/2007 6:27:27 PM | show profile Frank - respond with serious thought to the facts posted earlier and put your pet parrot Olby back in the hamper. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 12/29/2007 1:21:06 AM | show profile Frank - had a sweet sweet dinner with friends. I hope you was able to pull Olby and youself out of that dumpster long enough to catch reurns of the Stink Factor. |
