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| keltoi | Posted – 1/23/2008 12:29:17 AM | show profile This from AP writer Douglass Daniel today: "A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks. "The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses." ....... "The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both." ....... "The cumulative effect of these false statements ? amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts ? was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded. "Some journalists ? indeed, even some entire news organizations ? have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said. .... "The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism." Just think--the US Nooz media had 935 opportunities to catch BushCo in a lie during the runup to the Iraq Attaq. And, with notable exceptions, it never did. |
| chucho | Posted – 1/23/2008 9:51:22 AM | show profile Don't even bother. The ideologues are just going to say the sources of the information are worthless. Basically: to them if the if it doesn't come from Fox News, Americans For Tax Reform, or the Project For a New American Century and the like then it's completely part of a vast lib-ril fay-shist conspiracy to undermine the values of rugged determination (or as Matt Taibbi more accurately describes it: a hellish marriage of Karl Marx and Adam Smith that leads to insane things like private para-military organizations , and no-bid contracting, tax breaks for the rich, and all that Guilded Age horse shit I thought the US got over 100 years ago.) Indeed, by know if you are a person who denies the lies, then you are beyond redemption, part of the 22 Percenter's Club: that annoying group of retards the rest of us have to tolerate in order to adhere to our noble western liberal democratic values. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 1/23/2008 11:11:23 AM | show profile If any administration ever deserved impeachment it is this one. Impeachment in fact would be far too gentle. |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 1/23/2008 11:19:34 AM | show profile Clinton and Nixon were impeached for a helluvalot less than this crowd. But Bush and Cheney are embedded too well with the money men for it to happen. |
| jazzreport | Posted – 1/23/2008 9:06:05 PM | show profile This is liberal propaganda bought and paid for by George Soros. |
| keltoi | Posted – 1/23/2008 10:21:34 PM | show profile I don't know why I'm bothering whydo, but hope springs eternal, so I'll explain it to you. The study examined statements by Bush and his cronies about Iraq. It found 935 jen-yoo-wine statements made by this crowd that turned out to be not true. As in false. As in lies. It's a simple test. Did they say these things? Yes. Were their claims true? No. Did they have any proof to show that their claims were true? No. Then these statements were? False. Then Bush, Powell, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld et al? Lied. So it doesn't matter a tinker's dam who financed it. They could have financed it with a bake sale, and it wouldn't change the truth. |
| Stanley_Milgram | Posted – 1/24/2008 7:48:56 AM | show profile it's already 2008 and you still don't get it. The people in power and all their apologists don't care about the truth. They only care about power. So you're wasting your time marshalling facts to support your case. The only way to get your country back is to either take it back (and what that entails, I don't really know) or to wait for the whole decayed thing to come crashing down and some new order to emerge. Either way, it doesn't promise to be fun. I'll be watching it all from the richest country in the world. Which one is that? Why, the European Union, of course. Where do I get my facts? From that crybaby liberal organ called the CIA World Factbook. |
| jazzreport | Posted – 1/24/2008 9:16:04 AM | show profile Since this came from a leftwing group,paid for by a leftwingnut, this study should not be trusted. Notice how the AP and the NYTimes fail to mention that this is a liberal hit job. |
| Stanley_Milgram | Posted – 1/24/2008 11:14:54 AM | show profile why_do i'm curious. do you ever worry about how predictable you are? I mean, do you realize that in a very short time, they'll be able to program software that can generate the exact same responses as you do? |
| jazzreport | Posted – 1/24/2008 11:38:33 AM | show profile Do the same thing they have done to you??? |
| chucho | Posted – 1/24/2008 12:28:05 PM | show profile I loce how the 22 Percenters think "George Soros" is a magic phrase (too much World of Warcraft maybe?): that whenever somebody points out that "We know where they are, they're in the areas around Tikrit" is a lie, they can utter the magic phrase "George Sorors" and POOF! it's as if Rumsfeld never said it! I mean, seriously, what do the 22 Percenters think? That George Soros made up those words? That Rumsfeld never said this or that all those other QUOTED SENTENCES are not actually things members of the Bush administration said? |
| keltoi2 | Posted – 1/24/2008 1:11:06 PM | show profile SOP for the right, chucho: when you can't refute the message, attack the messenger. |
| chucho | Posted – 1/24/2008 1:19:03 PM | show profile By the way, that ONE right-wing media website these 22 Percenters are always citing? It's fun to Google the names of the nutters that write for that website. One of them says the time is coming for us to outlaw mosques. Um, I don't think he gets Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson, the humanist agnostic man who said the country was made for the "Jew, Hindoo, Muhammadan and Infidel" said separation of church and state is party to protect the freedom OF RELIGION not just freedom FROM RELIGION. So the guy these 22 Percenters consistently cite when they want to undermine a lefty argument is calling for outlawing mosques. How American is it to call for the state to ban a religious practice? What fucking planet is this in-bred hillbillies (with, according to his picture, a pasty jar-shaped mongoloid head and disgusting meat chin) from? And I'm supposed to rally behind this tool? PUL-EEZ! |
| jazzreport | Posted – 1/24/2008 2:31:49 PM | show profile when you can't refute the message, attack the messenger--- thats what chucho does. |
| Stanley_Milgram | Posted – 1/25/2008 4:03:47 AM | show profile "Do the same thing they have done to you???" Nice try, but this is hardly more creative than the old standard, "I know you are, but what am I?" |
| chucho | Posted – 1/25/2008 5:44:31 AM | show profile Actually, I attack your sources. Which is why I ask for them or actually read where you're getting your information. |
| chucho | Posted – 1/25/2008 5:57:59 AM | show profile Foe example, this newsbusters.org website and the writer that you've cited as a credible source, has written that it's time for America to outlaw mosques. That's the messenger I am attacking, and, by default, exposing your "credible source" as bollocks. Goerge Soros my ass. The Center for Public Integrity's report is far more credible than the bloviating by some meaty schmuck calling for the outlaw of a religion, pandering to the mouse-minded. |
