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| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 5:36:11 PM | show profile I'm curious about the nomination you reference, Frank. We're you cited by name in the nomination, or were you employed in some capacity by a newspaper that got a nod in its entirety? |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 2/1/2008 6:32:30 PM | show profile >>>was in the print media for over 11 years.<<< "WAS IN"? Exactly WHAT does that mean? Were you IN as a writer? Nah. maybe an ad sales rep who works IN THE PRINT MEDIA. I highly doubt you were IN THE PRINT MEDIA as a journalist. >>>Nominated for a Pulitzer in 1995. <<< Very commendable Frank, why not live up to that achievement and be a little more open-minded yourself. Look at your list of liberal bias - looks to me just about every major media outlet have a liberal bias, AND I don't even disagree with you as to why it SEEMS that way. Fact is that democracy was born from a liberal mindset, liberal allows you to be a free man and speak freely of your beliefs, however WRONG ;-) they may be. Just consider the possibility that MOST media fight for YOUR right to be who you are and what ever it is you want to be. Say what you will but it is that liberal bias that helps to keep you a free man. >>>I'm in another field now, but sill deal extensively with the media (print/TV/radio). <<< Great. The whole point of the argument was that YOU are NOT a journalist. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 2/1/2008 6:39:56 PM | show profile Thank you Nikon - Frank's a fraud! Report him for impersonating a Pultizer Prize nominee. Let me guess, it was the piece he did on Charlie Manson dress-day! |
| SuburbanCorrespondent | Posted – 2/1/2008 7:53:19 PM | show profile I've learned a lot from this thread. Well, just one thing really. I've learned that this message board is pretty much run by "FrankLobo" - who baits people with his snide, condescending remarks and turns every conversation into a ridiculous, immature shouting match. He rules over these threads like a bully on a playground, and apparently he goes to the principal whenever someone stands up to him. Obviously he takes such great pleasure in his little. message board. cheap shots. Because this is the only place in the world where he wields such "power" over people. It is impossible to have a discussion about anything here without it turning into a bitter fight, a fight which FrankLobo ALWAYS wins. Not because he's right, but because he's so good at what he does. I said it before, but I mean it this time. I'll see you in hell, TVNewser message board! Have fun letting Lobo get his rocks off by talking down to you! |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 8:03:42 PM | show profile Frank, you've piqued my interest about your Pulitzer Prize nod. In the spirit of straightforward, non-misleading, just-the-facts-and-nothing-but-the-facts reporting you espouse, I'd love to hear you clarify what exactly you were nominated for. That's honestly an impressive achievement for a journalist. Would you share some details about the work you did that earned this commendation? |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 2/1/2008 8:25:48 PM | show profile 'I worked at a daily newspaper - in the news room- for over 11 years. I was nominated for my own work. ' May I interject - that's the Poulitzer Prize for on time delivery of McChicken sandwiches eleven years running. I'm sure the guys in the mewsroom stood up and applauded. Good work Frank! |
| Dead Air | Posted – 2/1/2008 9:02:48 PM | show profile Frank, you are playing a little loose with the facts here aren't you. You've touted yourself as nominated for a Pulitzer when you're not a journalist....kind of a key fact to omit don't you think. Kinda like when a movie touts itself as Oscar nominated, then you find out it was for "Best Song." Now you say that you never claimed to be a journalist, yet you surely didn't dissuade anyone from thinking that when you were bragging. Why don't you tell us a little more about this Pulitzer nomination and your involvement with it. |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 9:43:33 PM | show profile Frank, I'm completely confused. You worked in a newsroom and were nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for your "own work," but you're not a journalist?? All I can think is that you're a novelist, a playwright, a poet, or a classical music composer, since those are among the few pulitzers not awarded to journalists. The list of 1995 nominees is here: http://www.pulitzer.org/cyear/1995f.html Is your specific name on this list? And why be so evasive -- if you were honestly nominated, fill us in on some details! |
| Nikongirl | Posted – 2/1/2008 10:50:08 PM | show profile Lobo, which one are you? Pulitzer Prize nominees 1 9 9 5 PUBLIC SERVICE Philadelphia Inquirer PUBLIC SERVICE Charlottes (N.C.) Observer SPOT NEWS REPORTING Staff of New York Times SPOT NEWS REPORTING Staff of Rocky Mountain News, Denver INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING Dave Davis and Joan Mazzolini of Plain Dealer, Cleveland INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING Keith A. Harriston and Mary Pat Flaherty of Washington Post EXPLANATORY JOURNALISM Ron Suskind EXPLANATORY JOURNALISM Staff of Montgomery (Ala.) Advertiser BEAT REPORTING Jason DeParle BEAT REPORTING Tom Hallman Jr. BEAT REPORTING Michael J. Berens NATIONAL REPORTING David Shribman NATIONAL REPORTING David Zucchino, Stephen Seplow and John Woestendiek of Philadelphia Inquirer INTERNATIONAL REPORTING Barbara Demick INTERNATIONAL REPORTING Lewis M. Simons and Michael Zielenziger of San Jose Mercury News FEATURE WRITING David Finkel FEATURE WRITING Fen Montaigne FEATURE WRITING Anne V. Hull COMMENTARY Paul Gigot COMMENTARY Carl T. Rowan CRITICISM Stephen Hunter CRITICISM Dorothy Rabinowitz EDITORIAL WRITING Editorial Staff of Des Moines (Iowa) Register EDITORIAL WRITING Bailey Thomson, Carol McPhail and David Thomasson of Mobile (Ala.) Press Register EDITORIAL CARTOONING Jim Borgman EDITORIAL CARTOONING Robert L. Arail SPOT NEWS PHOTOGRAPHY Denis Farrell SPOT NEWS PHOTOGRAPHY David Leeson FEATURE PHOTOGRAPHY Staff of Long Beach (Calif.) Press-Telegram FEATURE PHOTOGRAPHY Carl Bower FICTION Joyce Carol Oates FICTION Grace Paley DRAMA David Mamet DRAMA August Wilson HISTORY James Goodman HISTORY Merrill D. Peterson BIOGRAPHY OR AUTOBIOGRAPHY Roger K. Newman BIOGRAPHY OR AUTOBIOGRAPHY Stacy Schiff POETRY Allen Ginsberg POETRY Kenneth Koch GENERAL NON-FICTION John Berendt GENERAL NON-FICTION Sherwin B. Nuland MUSIC Donald Erb MUSIC Andrew Imbrie It is an honour that you should be very proud to tell us about. Can't say that I have been nominated for a Pulitzer any more than the rest of us on board, so Frank, since you have that distinction, tell us about it. |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 11:00:33 PM | show profile Frank, you don't need to give the name and details of your career. It would suffice to say simply 1. Does your specific name appear on the nominees' list (nikon pasted it above)? 3. What, generally, was the work you did that earned you the nomination? You've already specified it wasn't journalism -- if you were one of the nominees in the arts categories, you could even just state that, if you're afraid to say more. Remember: You brought this up. You dropped "Pulitzer" on a board populated by many journalist -- are you surprised they want more info? |
| Dead Air | Posted – 2/1/2008 11:12:38 PM | show profile You are not going to get off that easy.... You opened this can of worms, time to divulge. |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 11:17:42 PM | show profile Why wouldn't you WANT to share more, Frank? It's a terrific professional achievement. There's plenty details you could give that wouldn't reveal your identity. Frank, you've never been shy about spouting your opinion about how others are performing their vocations incorrectly. Why so shy now? |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 11:20:09 PM | show profile No, you brought it up on this thread, Frank. Details please? |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 11:22:26 PM | show profile And I'm not jealous -- I'm impressed! I want to hear more about your work that caught the Pulitzer committee's eye! Again, what's the big secret? I've never come close to a Pulitzer -- if I had, you can bet I'd be happy to talk about it with anyone who asked! |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 11:46:45 PM | show profile Well, as a Pulitzer nominee, I guess you're more qualified to "smell the journalism" than I am. Wait, I forget -- what was the work you did that earned the nomination? Oh, right, that's a state secret -- it wasn't journalism, though. Let's see....are you David Mamet? He was nominated for playwrighting in '95. Is that you, Frank? |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/1/2008 11:52:31 PM | show profile Frank, I see how you're trying to sway the subject. Not gonna work. On a board populated by many journalists, you touted YOURSELF as a Publitzer nominee. Haven't you declared it the role of a journalist to simply pursue facts that are in front of them? Well, you put it in front of us -- now some of us are just pursuing the facts! |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/2/2008 12:09:24 AM | show profile Frank, I never asked you to give up your name. Just some general idea about your prize, such as: -Is your specific name on the 1995 nominees' list? yes or no. Now, you ALREADY SAID you're a 1995 nominee for work you did. So I ASSUME your name is on the list. If it's not on the list, then that would mean you were one a staffer on one of the newspapers cited generally, and work you did specifically contributed to the award. You've ALREADY divulged the above. -What, generally, did you do to earn the nomination? You said it wasn't generally, so what, generally, was it? As for revealing something about myself: I already have and I'm happy to do it again. I live in NYC and work at one of the biggest publishing companies here, in the online division. I do not consider myself a journalist and never have; however, I work side by side with journalists and am dependent on their work. Now, your turn! |
| noname1234 | Posted – 2/2/2008 12:32:14 AM | show profile Why is THIS so hard to understand? You ALREADY GAVE clues by boasting of your 1995 pulizer nomination! That's a very finite group of people, Frank, and the list is readily available online. Look, I'll cut to the chase. There's simply no legitimate reason why you wouldn't be delighted to say more about your honor. I'm taking your silence on this matter to mean that you lied about being a 1995 Pulitzer nominee. You were, in fact, not a 1995 Pulitzer nominee. |
| chucho | Posted – 2/2/2008 4:33:05 AM | show profile I missed the whole Pulitzer thing, wow. As I understand it, it's pretty easy to be nominated, especially at the first stages of the process. Newspaper submit nominations all the time because it's in their interest. >> chucho wasn't you just moons ago complaining about Brit Hume taking a stand on a issue??? << You see, again, this the problem. Brit Hume is editorializing on immigration all the time, but he's a newscaster. Do you have ANY background whatsoever in Journalism 101? Because either you don't or you are purposefully throwing up these straw men. There may be a very legitimate issue in saying that anti-abortion activists don't get enough voice. (I don't know if that';s the case; I would have to do a lot of research to poll coverage and count quote, etc., and, frankly, Frank would have to do that, too, to support his claim. He hasn't. I haven't. Neither of us can support whether anti-abortion activists get fair play in the media, but I accept that as a legitimate issue, keeping in mind that most Americans are por-Choice, and therefore perhaps part of the reason that anti-Abortion activists don't get "fair play" (assuming they don't) is because they don't represent a majority of readers. It's as simple as that, IMO. But, again, who gets "play" in news stories is WAY different that Brit Hume -- presumably a television news presenter, not a wonk like KeithO or BillO -- constantly interjecting editorializing comments in his work. If you don't understand the difference here I can't help you. You just need to go (to re-do) J-School. Keep in mind two things: 1.) Objectivity doesn't exist in journalism -- never has and never will -- it's an ideal; and 2.) But there's a difference between biases that stem from who gets more voice than others (ie anti-abortionists supposedly not getting as much play in the media) in the media and media themselves editorializing insider their copy (such as excessive using adjectives in hard news stories, or Brit Hume using his work to go on an anti-immgration crusade). It's interesting you conjure Brit Hume; because he does precisely what Frank accuses the "lib-ril" media of doing. |
| chucho | Posted – 2/2/2008 4:36:08 AM | show profile Sorry for the usual typos. I enter this stuff quickly and this is the only forum I've ever seen where you can't preview your posts. |
