Topic: Oh no not more anti-Hillary stuff at MSNBC

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bystander Posted – 1/29/2008 9:22:30 PM | show profile
Can't take Matthews trying to diminish Hillary numbers on MSNBC - switched over to CNN. This Obama love in is too much...what is going on there? Something that we don't know about?

Had to endure Norah O'Donnell - she who used to be sooo pro Bush - explaining via graphs why the Dems voting in Florida really, really prefer Obama and then Matthews with that hate Hillary face says that the Kennedy endorsement is BIG. He wishes!
Tedwrites Posted – 1/29/2008 11:11:07 PM | show profile
It is unbelievable
I totally agree.

I think the msm is so full of weeny white guys who can relieve their liberal guilt by voting for Obama, but at the same time know they could have a, not beer, let's say white wine with him and talk about t*ts and hot anchor babes.

The newsrooms of America are filled with these guys and they run all the TV shows and decide what gets said on the air and which pretty girls get the jobs and which don't.

They are all about getting their way by only allowing certain cool girls into the club- the kind of girls who know how to flirt and make guys feel great, girls who are not too smart. Ask any woman you know in TV news.

Adults leave TV news when they hit 30. Only babies and guys with complexes stick around to run the show.

Look at the NY Times Op/Ed women. Total Hillary bashers who got ahead by kissing up to guys.

I hate the whole way this Obama thing is playing out. Even if someone had the balls to say so no one would print it because the white men control the show.

They are misogynistic woman haters.
jtjt225m Posted – 1/29/2008 11:46:06 PM | show profile
Seriously
I am so sorry that you all have to hear about Obama (tearing up).

I am so sorry that the media for the last couple of weeks have been talking about Obama and the fact that he is still running. I mean I know these last few weeks have felt like months haven't they, but oh yeah. Its been a few weeks. Get over yourselves. I can't wait till you all are tired of hearing about Hillary. I can't wait till you all get another white person and all the black people just go away, the thing you all want.

Also, hasn't the media given love to Hillary for the last year? If you all can't stand hearing about him for a month or so, what does that say about you all? Sad.

Iron Eagle Posted – 1/29/2008 11:57:28 PM | show profile
We love Obama!
Tedwrites Posted – 1/29/2008 11:59:37 PM | show profile
It's not a black thing, it's a male thing
It is not about Obama being black, it's about Obama being "not Hillary."

Men are secure enough to vote for Hillary. Boys for Obama.



Tedwrites Posted – 1/30/2008 12:02:49 AM | show profile
But it is refreshing that you Obamians stick to the script
It goes like this:

1. Obama is the best
2. Obama can do no wrong
3. If Obama does something wrong, and nobody catches him (running ads in Florida), then he is a uniter.
4. Obama does something and gets caught (snubbing Hillary), and people say so, then we are racists.

Yeah, good luck with that.
bystander Posted – 1/30/2008 12:10:50 AM | show profile
Right on the money
Yes it is misogyny and yes no one has the nerve to say that guilt is playing a major role in this Obama thing. Bill Clinton was guilty of calling him a black candidate - lol what planet are we on?

Totally agree about the aging white men running the TV news. These bimbos that get on there from the "money honeys" to the "news sweeties" reading the prompters - and the mood of the men - are doing nothing to reflect the voice of real women....
satchel Posted – 1/30/2008 12:17:29 AM | show profile
I agree, it is misogyny. The amazing thing is people can get away with this overt sexism. As I see it, it runs much deeper in this country than even racism.

I'm also amazed how much the Hillary hate has changed Matthews facial features. He looks like he's aged about 20 years and his lips have totally disappeared. He's turned into a muppet.
Baile Posted – 1/30/2008 12:27:51 AM | show profile
Yep...anti-Hillary campaign alive and well at MSNBC
It still goes on...and on... MSNBC is a waste of space as regards fair and unbiased reporting. Norah O'Donnell was hopeless years ago when she was pro-war pro Bush - angry at Dems for having any other point of view. Now she had backed off that lost ground - but Hillary is a threat to her as Hillary is to all at MSNBC.

I wont even bother to talk about Matthews ... he showed his cards long ago.
bystander Posted – 1/30/2008 12:38:49 AM | show profile
You noticed Matthews face too???
Satchel - I too see the difference in Matthew's facial expression. He has aged. His hatred of Hillary is literally eating away at his inside. His eyes become dull when he fires his verbal shots at her - he tires to hide his antagonist feelings but is not successful.

You are right misogyny is a deeper problem in this country than racism. We are seeing it alive and thriving on this coverage.
Iron Eagle Posted – 1/30/2008 10:06:35 AM | show profile
It's not that they hate Hillary - they just mistrust her. I'd like nothing more than believe a word she says. To me she's as slick as Romney and will do whatever it takes to get elected.
Compound that with Bill stalking in the background it makes for a combustible campaign.

Gulliani's toast. Now that's a blessing!
bystander Posted – 1/30/2008 10:26:49 AM | show profile
But Obama's message is nothing...not one idea of substance in his "inspirational" speeches. What specifically does he intend to do? I can at least hear Hillary's message and see what her plans are. Obama is just fine words with no specifics.

Edwards is out - this may be good for Hillary.
Iron Eagle Posted – 1/30/2008 10:34:49 AM | show profile
Obama obviously has something in mind. Bush was all bull when he ran - look what a great job he's done.
bystander Posted – 1/30/2008 10:41:55 AM | show profile
Crimedog - you made my case for me...
Baile Posted – 1/30/2008 11:50:59 AM | show profile
Racism and sexium is always in the mix when you have a forum that includes these new entities - the age old questions get raised.

For the Republicians this is not an issue - they have the same old same old, white Christian men line up. Oops what about Romney? Well he did have to "affirm" his love for Jesus. Guess he was afraid of that becoming an issue - being victimized because he was not perceived as being Christian. Well... there are victims - outcasts- everywhere.
satchel Posted – 1/30/2008 11:58:06 AM | show profile
I have a feeling Hillary will not get to play the sex card in this. It's rarely even brought up when they talk about her.

Race is beaten over our heads in this country and now we all have so much "guilt" about it. Racisim is discussed on the news and brought to light much, much more than sexism. Then you rarely have women talk about it anymore for fear of being called the big F word.

Bystander- yes, I noticed the change in his loooks. It's actually sad. I hope nothing is wrong with him. But people with such hate rarely wear it well on their faces.

And totally fluffy and all, but did Nora get a nose job? her nostrils don't match now and something looks different.
JIMBO99 Posted – 1/30/2008 4:24:24 PM | show profile
Hey Libs....It ain't about race and it ain't about gender
It's the message..........STUPID!
Iron Eagle Posted – 1/30/2008 4:48:05 PM | show profile
Frank - that was such a ridiculous post. Try again, but think this time. You've got Gomer Huckabee to worry about. What if he loses are you repukes going cry Mayberry complex. Will Andy take him back and Opie be his friend again?
Quatermain Posted – 1/30/2008 4:50:51 PM | show profile
There's no misogyny, here -
If Hillary were a man, she'd be John Kerry - a bland intellect and bland legislator, who'd say and claim anything to get elected.

Obama has a voice, and a strong and consistent one, he didn't have to declare it.

I wasn't wild about his green credentials, but truth to tell, his is the kind of grace and statesmanship I want at the helm.

Bill and Hill have been tag-teaming him for weeks, he had every damned right to snub her.
Pen_Syl Posted – 1/30/2008 5:25:23 PM | show profile
Call me a conspiracy nut but ...
I think conservatives (who still control the media, IMO) fear a Clinton nomination more than they do Obama. Which is why I'm wondering if all the Obama-love and Hillary-hate is actually a case of conservative, "which candidate can we defeat" opportunism?

In other words, is all the attention and praise lavished all over Obama designed to sway party voters into nominating him, because conservatives believe that, come November, the bubbas in the south and middle America will turn out in droves to vote against a black candidate, thus securing a Republican win?

Iron Eagle Posted – 1/30/2008 5:30:21 PM | show profile
Hizzoner - well stated.
Quatermain Posted – 1/30/2008 5:50:02 PM | show profile
Well as a conservative -
who is underwhelmed with the conservative choices, I can tell you what me and my friends are thinking, if not all conservatives.

Some of us want to cross the aisle, so have to look at these two. In Clinton we see nothing but electioneering and no substance. In Obama, we see substance, but little experience.

RE: those "bubbas" - before indulging in that kind of bigotry, bear in mind that every Democrat president but one, in the last half century, were southernors, and even Kennedy knew enough to align himself with the South. The South crossed party lines specifically because of your kind of bigotry; they resented being talked down to, especially regarding their faith, and voted for the guy who didn't seem to think they were morons.

Your kind of thinking helped Bush, enormously.

Quatermain Posted – 1/30/2008 5:51:48 PM | show profile
Sorry - should have specified - was speaking to Pen-Syl.
Thanks for the kind note, Crimedog.
satchel Posted – 1/30/2008 7:24:34 PM | show profile
What exactly is Obama's voice? He's politics Lite. He just chants change a bit and the crowd goes wild.

Maybe it's that he's new, shiny, and different. His speeches are good, but he has a hard time holding his own during debates.

I like him and he seems like a sweet person, but I don't see any substance behind him. I'm curious, what substance do you all see behind him?

To me his supporters seem like a group of lemmings simply because he's new and different.
bystander Posted – 1/30/2008 10:02:24 PM | show profile
I'm with Satchel re Obama - he has little substance which is why is great at inspiration speech making but bad at debates.
He simple has very little to say of specifics when he is asked a question. A clue to his lack of any development of his ideas is the debates. Fine to be "for unity" but how do you bring this about?? Great to be "for education" but exactly does this mean and health care - he had no answer to both Hillary and Edward's claim that the Obama plan did not cover everyone... he just looked confused at this and ...nothing. Lofty ideas and fine words need substance to back them up.

He has little of substance or of developed philosophy. In fact some of his speech making borders on demography for me. All excitement with nothing else. It works for many people because it is exciting but there is no there there.
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