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Topic: Oh no not more anti-Hillary stuff at MSNBC
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| Tedwrites | Posted – 1/31/2008 12:43:59 AM | show profile Florida Does Matter Did you all realize this about Clinton's outcome in Florida: Hillary won voters who decided on Election Day; women and men; urban, suburban and rural voters; and just about every income group, education level and age category - including 18-29 year-olds. Hillary won nearly 6 in 10 Latinos and nearly 3 in 10 African Americas. It's really interesting how none of this was reported today. In fact, the delegates will eventually be seated (today's Ny Times),so it is total Obama spin that they don't. Also, nice unifying speech today! |
| Tedwrites | Posted – 1/31/2008 12:46:21 AM | show profile don't matter, not "don't." |
| chucho | Posted – 1/31/2008 4:38:31 AM | show profile I think it's unfair to say that if you are going Dem and you don't vote for Hillary, then it must be because you're anti-woman or whatever. Also: the media is wrong when it says Hillary voted for the Bankruptcy reform bill and then voted against it. She didn't cast the second vote. And I don't like that she voted for the Kyle Lieberman hawkish Iran legislation. If he support for Bush's Iraq debacle was, as she says, a matter of having been lied to -- then why does she continue to vote the hawk ticket? And weren't HMOs her idea? And has she said one thing about increasing FICA-taxable income. Edwards and Obama have both said they would raise th at ceiling, but she won't -- why not? That's a forward-thinking progressive idea. You people are giving too much credit to the media and not enough credit to the people who will vote. We can vote on concrete issues. And to accuse Obama supporters of being misogynists (or "anti-Woman", whatever that means) is BS. |
| chucho | Posted – 1/31/2008 4:42:14 AM | show profile Oh, and I personally feel uncomfortable knowing that our LIBERAL WESTERN DEMOCRACY* has had a Bush or Clinton in the White House since 1980. * It's not really a Democracy, it's a representative republic where legislation and offices are won based on how much money is given to the right people, but for all intents and purposes we like to call ourselves a democracy. It's the best damn pseudo-quasi-democracy/oligarchy the world has ever seen. |
| chucho | Posted – 1/31/2008 10:01:13 AM | show profile And finally (for now), I kinda of agree here on Matt Taibbi's take on Hillary as the new Nixon: http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12502 EXCERPT: To see Hillary Clinton as a martyr for anything is to give her far too much credit for weakness and not nearly enough credit for her strengths, one of which happens to involve resurrecting, against all odds, the ghost of Richard Nixon. What people forget about Clinton is that she is basically a Republican at heart. She campaigned for Barry Goldwater once upon a time and even canvassed poor neighborhoods in Chicago looking for "vote fraud" by Democrats. She was president of the College Republicans at Wellesley. In 1968, at the height of America's most intense cultural debate in a century, she only abandoned the Republican Party because it backed Dick Nixon instead of her favorite, Nelson Rockefeller. Which is ironic, because as a presidential candidate herself, Hillary has basically run exactly Nixon's 1968 campaign. Her stump speech from the get-go was all about the "invisible Americans," a nearly word-for-word echo of Nixon's revolutionary "forgotten Americans" strategy of that year. Like Nixon, she was targeting a slice of the electorate that had chosen to stay on the sidelines during a cultural war and secretly yearned for someone in the political center to restore order; it's no accident that Hillary was on the opposite side of every issue that sent lefties to the streets in the Bush years, from the war to free trade to the Patriot Act. |
