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| Latin1 | Posted – 2/15/2008 9:28:12 PM | show profile I have seen different blogs and websites complaining about all the News coverage of the Natalie Holloway case. Many liberals have even given the News media's attention paid to the disappearance Natalie Holloway a callous name "The Missing White Woman Syndrome". This guarantees that any coverage of a missing person will be racialized by people on the left to blame white America and the news media. Taking away the humanity of any person who is missing that is not a person of color. Instead the missing person becomes a RACE, a negative object, and not a person. But those on the left, if they ever got their heads out of blaming America and racial hyper-sensitivity would see there was a reason why Holloways disappearance was News and here are the points: 1. The Holloway News story brought up the dangers while on vacationing aboard. 2. The story also brought up an important story of young Americans going to different countries on 'spring break' situations and being caught in a crime. Since many young American students go to Mexico and other countries in these type of situations to 'party' this story was part of that. 3. Parents letting their underage children to 'party' in other countries, even if they are chaperoned and the dangers of doing so. 4. That appearances can be deceiving. Joran Vander Sloot looked very Innocent and had a baby face. Many people would not see him as violent or dangerous person because he was very collegiate looking. 5. The safety of American tourist in a supposed crime free paradise. 6. Showing the under belly of drugs, crime and drinking in a vacation spot. 7. Americans going missing in a different country without a trace. Especially if they were in a group. 8. The unknown "rufee" element. Can vacationing Americans be drugged unknowingly in a foreign place that is supposed to be a paradise. 9. Should American parents allow underage teens to travel to party on 'spring break' situations? 10. Showing the difference in police investigations. How they differ from the United States if you visit another country and get in trouble. 11. Showing how the law works in different in countries and how they effect you if you get in trouble in a different country. 12. Was Joran treated differently because he father was a judge in Aruba, when an American went missing? Did privilege and position in the community assist Joran? 13. What happens when a person simple disappears on a small island? Was she still there? Was she kidnapped? 14. If there is no body, is there no crime in foreign law and a foreign country? That is why the missing British girl case was important. 15. The case effects three countries, the United States, Aruba and the Netherlands. The case has been big in Aruba and the Netherlands. The Dutch have even made a movie about the case. The story has been running in the Aruban newspapers and the Dutch public have been following this story. The Dutch public is also very interested and involved in the Holloway case. Plus Arubans and other Caribbean Islands in the area. So the Holloway case is International, not just in the United States. 16. Did the Aruban police botch the case? 17. Did Aruban authorities hide evidence and protect Joran because his family was important? 18. Did this case effect tourism to Aruba? That is why the Natalie Holloway case is News and not just more then those who ignorantly call this the "Missing White Woman Syndrome". So those racists on the left, who constantly want to make this another "hate-America-first" case because they perceive it as racist are in the fact the true racists. That is because they see this just as a plain RACIST case, not an international law and policing case with many layers that are news worthy. But even for the racists on the left who coined the Holloway case as the "Missing White Woman Syndrome" can at least relish to another point why this was a news story. Joran Vander Sloot blamed a black security guard for Natalie Holloway's disappearance. So the leftist race mongers and U.S. self-haters can find some news worthiness in the Holloway story. There is an "evil" white person blaming a black man for this crime. |
| jisforjimbo | Posted – 2/15/2008 10:27:04 PM | show profile I completely agree with you, the Natalee Holloway case is VERY important news and should be covered. It raises many important news. People tell me all the time that legal news is not important but in a way legal news is the most important news of all because your chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are lower than being struck by lightning but your chances of being murdered or being raped are VERY HIGH. |
| jisforjimbo | Posted – 2/15/2008 10:28:17 PM | show profile BTW... its Natalee... not Natalie... That has become a HUGE pet peeve of mine! LOL! |
| jisforjimbo | Posted – 2/15/2008 11:15:17 PM | show profile Here you go - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eMFzwwYnA0 |
| jisforjimbo | Posted – 2/16/2008 12:27:52 AM | show profile My prayer for Nat tonight Nightly prayer moment for Natalee Please pray this prayer if you wish: Dear God, We no longer have Natalee Holloway with us... I think most of us have come to that realization. We have seen that the Aruban government has no desire to prosecute her killer. We have seen that somebody has gotten away with murder and despite a full confession, her killer will walk. We have seen the injustice that has happened to Miss. Holloway. And we as Americans and citizens around the world are outraged. Those of us with souls, will never step foot on Aruban soil, buy their products, support their industries, or run our cruise ships through their waters. They have done this, not us. We did not want this to happen... but they forced it to happen. They have proven that a guilty judge and his son's freedom are more important than justice for an innocent girl. I can only speak for myself, but I support the boycott like I never have before. As I ask you everynight, please be with Natalee's mother and father, her family, her friends, her supporters on the airwaves, radio, and internet. This is a very hard time for them. For three years now, they have fought to get justice for Natalee only to realize that justice is no longer possible. The only thing that is possible is to remember Natalee. We can remember what a wonderful person she was, the great things she did here on earth, and the people whos faces she brought smiles to and helped. Natalee died before her time but she did not die in vein. Her story will prevent possibly dozens of young women from being victims of violent crime in Aruba. Her death was noble and she died for a cause greater than herself. Since justice in a court of law is no longer possible, we ask you Lord that in your own way, you will provide justice to Natalee's killers here on earth. They will have to live with the thought everyday of their life that they took a life of a young innocent girl. They will have to live with the knowledge that they broke the heart of a mother and the spirit of a nation. They will have to live with the fact that they have effictively ruined the Aruban government, economy, and the lives of the Aruban people. While, they may not be losing a moments sleep over this... the reality is that they DID do this and nothing can change that. Lord, we ask you that not for the purpose of justice, not for the purpose that one day this will be evidence in a court of law, and not for the fact that it may help prosecute Natalee's killers one day. Oh, no! But we ask you this for the purpose that Beth may have closure. For the purpose that Beth, Natalee's family, friends, and supporters will have a place to go to visit Natalee, mourn her loss, leave her flowers, pray for her soul, and let him know where Natalee is instead of just thinking that Natalee's body lay in the choppy cold waters off the island of Aruba. We ask you that you allow the searchers and provide them with the know how and knowledge to find Natalee's body. Please be with them and guide them throughout their mission. But above all else Lord, we ask that you be with Natalee tonight and everynight. As I ask you everynight, please continue to allow her to fufil her new mission on heaven as it is just as important as her mission was on earth. God, please keep her warm, sooth her fears, keep her belly full, let her know her mom still loves her more than she could know, let her know she has supporters all over the United States and all over the world, and let her know that one way or another, she will be remembered. We ask these things in your name. Amen |
| chucho | Posted – 2/16/2008 9:51:10 AM | show profile OMG, the MB forum just gets nuttier and nuttier. I love it. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 2/16/2008 11:10:40 AM | show profile Chucho - I'll second that! |
| chucho | Posted – 2/16/2008 12:59:15 PM | show profile Oh my! I got owned by Ron Mexico! And his observations are very brilliant and objective and spot on. It is up, the fascist, racist, homo, child-molesting, terrorist supporting (did I get them all, Ron?) lib-rils that are the cause of all things evil and wrong. Jerk. |
| kamilo_aruba | Posted – 2/16/2008 7:01:18 PM | show profile Trial by misinformed media (part 1) The Natalee Holloway case is different because it is being handled by the media and the public is the jury, judge and executioner. However, the media only gives out the information or facts that attracts people to the story. Or just send misinformation, when they get the correct info, they do not correct what they informed the public. Some examples taken from the original post: 3. Parents letting their underage children to 'party' in other countries, even if they are chaperoned and the dangers of doing so. --> In this case, the parents signed a waiver knowing that their underaged kids, will be going to a foreign country with different laws and where they underaged kids are legally of age to drink and gamble. Not often mentioned in the media. 4. That appearances can be deceiving. Joran Vander Sloot looked very Innocent and had a baby face. Many people would not see him as violent or dangerous person because he was very collegiate looking. --> In this case, Joran van der Sloot has not been charged with anything. He is a person of interest based on the fact that he was the last seen with the person. There is not even evidence of a crime. Some so-called experts on TV fail to mention that. 5. The safety of American tourist in a supposed crime free paradise. --> This cases is not a crime case, there is no evidence of that. Secondly a supposed crime free paradise does not exist, crime exist everywhere even in your backyard, however, in this place Aruba, the criminal activities are low and in the majority of cases they have to deal with petty crimes. Last year 2007, there was only one murder on the island, and the last murder case involving a tourist took place over 15 years ago. Yet, with this low rate of crime, there are over 110.000 habitants on the island and almost 2 million visitors a year. The media is not interested in that. 6. Showing the under belly of drugs, crime and drinking in a vacation spot. --> Drugs is available everywhere, but you have to look for it if you want it. It will not come to you and is not readily and easily available, and I am talking about every single city in the world. So, insulting a country does not help, only in ratings. 7. Americans going missing in a different country without a trace. Especially if they were in a group. -->Does not count only for Americans, but all nationality. If you go on vacation, either in the US, Europe or any Caribbean nation, you take your precaution, not because of the locals or the crimerate, but because it's a tourist destination and you do not know what kind of people will be traveling with you. 8. The unknown "rufee" element. Can vacationing Americans be drugged unknowingly in a foreign place that is supposed to be a paradise. --> You could start by checking your local bars, there is huge increase of drugrelated incidents in bars in the USA. 9. Should American parents allow underage teens to travel to party on 'spring break' situations? --> Depends on the trust the parents have with their children, how mature their kids are to go, underage in a place where they are treated like grown ups. 10. Showing the difference in police investigations. How they differ from the United States if you visit another country and get in trouble. --> European laws and American laws are different, so are their systems. But if you do not want to get involved with other cultures, way of living, laws and system, do not get out of your country. 11. Showing how the law works in different in countries and how they effect you if you get in trouble in a different country. 12. Was Joran treated differently because he father was a judge in Aruba, when an American went missing? Did privilege and position in the community assist Joran? 13. What happens when a person simple disappears on a small island? Was she still there? Was she kidnapped? --> In this case, there is no evidence of a crime or even a kidnapping, there are other theories still open but difficult to prove, like run away, a scam or even an accident (either by drowning or alcohol/drug related). 14. If there is no body, is there no crime in foreign law and a foreign country? That is why the missing British girl case was important. --> That is not true, if there is no body, there are other ways to prove a murder, a crime scene, blood, DNA, witnesses, confessions and any other evidence to prove a crime. In this case, there is none of that. Only media speculation and misinterpretations of facts. ***Part One*** |
| kamilo_aruba | Posted – 2/16/2008 7:03:28 PM | show profile Trial by Misinformed Media (Part 2) 16. Did the Aruban police botch the case? --> Depends in what you believe, the American way of seeing their laws interpreted in the European system or just the facts based on the Europen system. In the European system you can be detained for over 116 days just for investigation, does not mean you will be charged or that you are even guilty in the case. In this case, over 200 people were interviewed and a dozen detained for questioning and investigation. 17. Did Aruban authorities hide evidence and protect Joran because his family was important? --> v/d Sloot family are not a big deal on the island, just any other regular family, the mother was a teacher, the father a judge in training. Never made it to be a judge. This case has been handled by a Dutch prosecutor, Dutch investigators, Dutch chief investigator, and Dutch judges from other islands to prevent any misconception of a cover-up. 18. Did this case effect tourism to Aruba? --> No it has not directly, but indirectly it give the island more exposure on American media and attention. In 2006, the only year that tourism in Aruba declined it was with 5%. But CTO assured that this was on the fact that over that year there were 3 major hotels closed for renovations which represented almost 10% of the rooms available on that island. Joran Vander Sloot blamed a black security guard for Natalie Holloway's disappearance. --> This is also a big misunderstanding that the American media wanted to use in their rating and get as many viewers as possible. The two security guards detained for investigation early on, where detained based on eyewitness statements of seeing them that night on the beach where Natalee was left by Joran, by Mountain Brook kids that told the FBI that these security guards were the ones that bought their drugs for them, while on the island, and from one specific Alabama girl that said that one of the security guard had a problem with a Mountain Brook boy over drugs. The media never told the American viewers this, they did not even mentioned that in the houses of these security guards, the police found articles belonging to the students, they exchanged for drugs. Why wouldn't they tell that story? Easy, racial issue attracts people and more people means more ratings. |
| astrahook | Posted – 2/16/2008 7:13:34 PM | show profile I do often wonder though why this has gotten much more coverage then the eric volz situation, an american that is know to be alive. Anyway, while your post was well thought out, its hard to take you seriously when you throw "But those on the left, if they ever got their heads out of blaming America and racial hyper-sensitivity would see there was a reason why Holloways disappearance was News and here are the points" into the mix". Had you not included that you almost came off as credible. |
| astrahook | Posted – 2/16/2008 7:15:52 PM | show profile as an aside, I've been to aruba since this whole thing happened and its was somewhat shocking to me how low key this is over there. Not a word or sign about it in the week I spent there (another aside, aruba sucks..boring as hell) |
| Latin1 | Posted – 2/16/2008 8:09:18 PM | show profile because of ignorant comments from the leftest chucho The reason I did this thread was because if you look at leftest chucho's remarks on other threads regarding the Natalee Holloway case being in the News is because he ignorantly explained this case, straight from the leftest handbook, as white blonde girl goes missing...who cares. Well it appears her family cares enough to push this in the media. Also you say the point was lost because I commented that it was liberals and race-baiters on the left...well here is a little clue. Just type in "White Woman Missing Syndrome" under Google and you will come up with NOT conservative blogs, but LIBERAL and left-leaning blogs about how unimportant Natalee Holloway case is and that is all about race. It is the Liberals and leftest race-baiters who are using this unfortunate case to make another "hate white people", blame America for racism 'example'. When it is what my original post was about; The Natalee Holloway case IS news and not to be used by some liberals and race-baiters on the left to cry and whine that white people and American, especially American news, is racist. Also just because you went to Aruba doesn't mean they are not talking about this. First of how do we know you went there. Secondly it is BIG news in the Netherlands. It has been all over Dutch TV and Dutch News. They even made a movie about it in the Netherlands. So to simply call it, like chucho the racist did, as a "White Woman Gone Missing; so who cares" incident is false, because it appears that this case is International in nature as it effects three countries and not just the United States and gets HIGH RATINGS, something people at MSNBC and liberals don't understand. |
| jisforjimbo | Posted – 2/16/2008 11:28:16 PM | show profile I'd like to say that not all liberals are uncompassionate and could care less about Natalee Holloway. Alan Colmes has spent a lot of time on his television and radio show on the case. He has even gone down to Aruba to cover the story. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 2/17/2008 12:04:56 AM | show profile 'It is the Liberals and leftest race-baiters who are using this unfortunate case to make another "hate white people", blame America for racism 'example'. When it is what my original post was about; The Natalee Holloway case IS news and not to be used by some liberals and race-baiters on the left to cry and whine that white people and American, especially American news, is racist.' This is an insane rant and absolutely bogus. Thousands of young women are cruelly brutalized all over this planet everyday. There are other stories to tell. This case has been stymied by families with connections throughout the Aruban heirarchy. What the hell does any of this have to do with liberals? Ridiculous post! |
| Latin1 | Posted – 2/17/2008 1:10:42 AM | show profile crimedog...once again for the brain dead. crimedog wrote: "What the hell does any of this have to do with liberals? Ridiculous post!" The reason I created this post was because many liberals and race-mongers, like your boyfriend chucho, have posted on other threads that there is no news importance about the Natalee Holloway case. chucho parroted the same line that has been repearted by liberals and race-mongers that why is Cable News and the news media reporting on the Holloway case? That this was simply, as they put it "White Woman Gone Missing Syndrome" and had no importance in the news, or that it was because she was a 'pretty, white blonde' female that the "evil white racist" news media focused on. But in reality, as you can see by my original post, the media focused on the story because of other factors not like liberals always complain about. That is why...don't be so brain dead, but then again you're a liberal. Type in "White Woman Missing Syndrome" under Google or similar and see what comes up? What you don't want to see how cold, callous and racist liberals and the left is? |
| larryharrietanalysis | Posted – 2/17/2008 3:03:41 AM | show profile The only way to get Joran now is to prosecute him federally. I am figuring out how this would be possible, but I have come into some information that tells me it is possible. More to come... ------ www.larryharriet.blogsome.com |
| sstrussman | Posted – 2/17/2008 4:00:31 AM | show profile | email poster Natalie, "Faux News" and "You" For all of you that are still interested in this story, I applaud you for your patience and understanding. Quite frankly, it is distressing to know that a young woman is still missing and some "shithead" admits to killing her only to retract it. What, was this his audition "reel" for a Reality Based show? "FBN" is the "FAUX Business Network." I have not watched it, and refuse to tune in to any FOX "News" broadcast, even in Chicago where the great Pat Mullen is the G.M. of the station. They kick ass and take names. If that network was smart they would launch an evening newscast with "Shepard Smith," test market it on their O & O's and will guarantee you that Leslie Moonves will see the newscast that he was envisioning with "Katie" and Company. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 2/17/2008 9:46:07 AM | show profile The issue is the Aruban government. The boy is is being protected by someone. This is a small six mile island where everyone is connected. Latin stop the race hating talk about liberals. It's sickening. The Holloway case has nothing to do with the garbage you spill. |
| chucho | Posted – 2/17/2008 12:00:52 PM | show profile Oh BOO-HOO. I'm sorry but all this manufactured compassion makes me sick. Unless you're a relative or otherwise closely connected to this person, why are you punching in 700-word prayers anonymously onto an online forum about media? This touchy-feely fascism is really lame and contrived. Just because I'm not bowing my head and nodding in sympathy to your self-indulgent patronizing doesn't mean I'm some wicked soulless bastard. Grow up. And spare me the cliche that liberals are the real racists. So far certain members of peanut gallery on this board has accused liberals and/or Democracts of being terroists and pedophiles. So EXCUSE ME if I bite back with this nonsense. If Holloway were a black teen mother drug addict that disappeared on the streets of Baltimore you wouldn't give a crap about her and you know it. |
| Latin1 | Posted – 2/17/2008 8:47:57 PM | show profile chucho wrote.... "If Holloway were a black teen mother drug addict that disappeared on the streets of Baltimore..." You see this is the mantra for the race-baiting liberals. I guess the original post did not SINK IN. Natalee disappeared in a another country, an island that is advertised to a Americans as a "paradise". So this is an international incident and not some racial rant for the left. So there is no comparison. A girl, of any color, who becomes a drug addict will tend to be involved in DANGEROUS criminal behavior that will more likely have her end in in a dangerous situation. Natalee did not appear to have any criminal or drug addictions or past. She was involved in a behavior that most American high schoolers are involved in and was caught up in a situation that was not supposed to happen while you're on vacation to a paradise island. A person who is a drug-addicted teen living on the streets PUTS HERSELF in a situation where she just might end up missing. That is the big difference. Also Natalee's parents pushed the story in the major news outlets...they used every angle. Many teens who are drug addicted and living on streets have parents who had some problems themselves. So tell me chucho what is the difference between a BLACK teen and a WHITE teen? Is a crime against a white person not the same as crime against a black one? It appears that YOU are so concerned with the race of the victim. That would concerned a RACIST. |
| Latin1 | Posted – 2/17/2008 8:59:04 PM | show profile Liberals and the idea of news coverage by race A Liberal will always ask why some young Gang member who didn't go to school, sold drugs, was involved in dangerous problem behavior does not get the same news coverage when he ends up shot, compared to the shock when an honor student who was studying and preparing to go to college gets shot. To them they see racism. They see racism when they see news with a black teen being arrested. What they don't SEE is that the supposed black and other minority leaders, like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton, are not focusing on this problem, but are always complaining about the white man and white liberals fall into lock step. What the black and other minority community leaders should be doing, instead of blaming others, is to look inward to their own communites and ask WHY their young people are doing this...not how they can blame all this on the white man and the "biased" news media. This is almost the same when it concerns the Natalee Holloway case. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 2/17/2008 9:11:12 PM | show profile Get off this stupid liberal nonsense. This is an Aruban affair. I was there back in 1989 and caught the head of the country in the can humping some young girl with his wife and children resting comfortably at a dinner table. Two years later the fat toad dies of a heart attack. This is an internal affair. It's all about protecting someone with connections. Get a friggin' life! |
| Atticus6907 | Posted – 2/17/2008 9:54:48 PM | show profile This board was so much better when crimedog was banned. |
| Iron Eagle | Posted – 2/17/2008 10:27:36 PM | show profile Yes, atticus - it was wonderful - it was like the same voice yelling in an echo chamber. I'm sure you enjoyed that. If you want to wallow in lies then keep posting nonsense about Natalie Holloway. What is it with you - liberals had nothing to do with this woman's death. Can't you find something else to snivel about? Are you that scared of liberals ? |
