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Topic: the subtle racism of saying 'Barry Hussein'
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| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 12:52:54 PM | show profile I didn't vote for him, but can we really avoid saying the word 'Hussein' just to make it a slur? If you aren't adult enough to do that, maybe you should rethink your priorities in life. |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 1:39:28 PM | show profile But you don't refer to Hillary as Hillary Rodham or McCain as John Sidney, do you Frank? I'll say it again. If you aren't adult enough to do that, maybe you should rethink your priorities in life. P.S. don't be so coy, we know what your general opinion is of all things Muslim sounding. |
| Moderate | Posted – 4/27/2008 2:01:39 PM | show profile Muslim sounding To be Muslim sounding one would need to say Mubarack Hussein Obama. |
| MainStreetUSA | Posted – 4/27/2008 2:08:22 PM | show profile Pretty stunning Its not racism, but people are trying to equate Obama as a terrorist. I couldn't think of a more sick thing to do. Barack Obama is an American, just like John McCain and Hillary Clinton. He deserves respect even if you disagree with him. I honestly don't think these tactics are going to work with the American people. They know that to elect McBush means just more of the same. Its just 4 more years of failed policy. 75% of the American people think we need to leave Iraq and yet McBush is saying lets ride for 100 more years? Come on. |
| MainStreetUSA | Posted – 4/27/2008 2:29:16 PM | show profile Sometimes you can just feel so proud to be an American that you say something like, I've never felt so proud to be an American. I remember after 9/11, I went to New York to the top of a high building at night and I just looked at all the beautiful lights and sky and energy and the air smelled so good, like you could just feel the energy and the hope of a country coming together. At that time, I never felt so proud to be an American. |
| oceanvue | Posted – 4/27/2008 2:36:34 PM | show profile >>It's not racism, but people are trying to equate Obama as a terrorist. I couldn't think of a more sick thing to do. Barack Obama is an American, just like John McCain and Hillary Clinton. He deserves respect even if you disagree with him. I honestly don't think these tactics are going to work with the American people. They know that to elect McBush means just more of the same. Its just 4 more years of failed policy. 75% of the American people think we need to leave Iraq and yet McBush is saying lets ride for 100 more years? Come on.<< Yes, it's McBush and yes, both Bush and McCain are racists and warmongers, that's why you can easily conflate them. Bush had no problem endorsing McBoob once he knew that McBoob would give him and his associates a presidential pardon. That was the deal when McBoob turned up at the WH for his little endorsement thing from the Murderer-in-Chief. McBoob has also in turn high-fived with Hillary on numerous occasions, verbally and otherwise, they are both crooked as they come and speaking of a track record, both have filthy laundry galore. Hillary has the wink-and-a-nod from the RNC as well as the DLC because the latter is just a "lite" version of the other. Hillary winning would be just part of a win-win scenario for the neo-con/Bush crowd. She will give them all a free pass and perpetuate their crimes with a new label and different wording. This is why Obama is attacked first by the racists on this board and then as part of that over his name, they see two ways instead of the usual one of vilifying a black man. |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 7:55:05 PM | show profile Good things from the Muslim world since the 12th century... Off the top of my head...algebra, which is the fundamental building block of all mathematics and science... As for your assessment of my my supposed mind-reading abilities about you, I'll let your record speak for itself: a) you're the guy who still boldly states that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was a 'great American'. In case the younger readers don't know who McCarthy was, and what he stood for, and what a dark time in American politics he represented; I suggest you look his name up. b) you're guy who thinks that Muslims residing in America shouldn't be afforded the same protections as other Americans, because according to you, Arabs are raping their Indonesian hired help in Saudi Arabia. c) you're the guy who somehow knows that everyone that disagrees with you on the board is a liberal. d)you're the guy who makes a point of using Obama's middle name, because 'that's what it is'...yet you are not brave enough to actually admit that you use it as a form of insult. Disassemble it any way you want, you mean it as a slur and nothing more. And here is one for the FrankLobo hit parade, why don't you remind everyone about the Pulitzer that you were once nominated for, but then later admitted that you didn't actually write the above said nominated article because you were only involved in some tangential capacity.... Frank, I am older than you, wiser than you, and unlike you I actually still work in the biz. You can't bullshit me. |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 9:29:59 PM | show profile Algebra Algebra is a branch of mathematics concerning the study of structure, relation and quantity. The name is derived from the treatise written by the Persian mathematician, astronomer, astrologer and geographer, Muhammad bin Mūsā al-Khwārizmī titled Kitab al-Jabr wa-l-Muqabala (meaning "The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing"), which provided symbolic operations for the systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations. courtesy Wikipedia |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 9:32:42 PM | show profile Joseph McCarthy When they accuse somebody of 'McCarthyism,' they don't mean it as a compliment... Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 ? May 2, 1957) served as a Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period of intense anti-communist suspicion inspired by the tensions of the Cold War.[1] He was noted for making claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the federal government and elsewhere. Ultimately, McCarthy's tactics and his inability to substantiate his claims led to his being discredited and censured by the United States Senate. The term "McCarthyism," coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist pursuits. Today the term is used more generally to describe demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents. courtesy Wikipedia Gee, it doesn't sound like he was right now does it? |
| oceanvue | Posted – 4/27/2008 9:41:08 PM | show profile McCarthy? You overlook the fact that diseased twisted minds like Frank and others of his ilk online worship at the altar of Ann Coulter and other more prominent diseased minds who assert that McCarthy was basically right. Even that other now fortunately dead William F. Buckley was fluent in rationalizing McCarthyism in his rag down through the years. It's become a tradition of the Right, and not surprising considering how your Wikipedia reference describes McCarthyism. A leopard can't change its spots after all. |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 9:47:01 PM | show profile Frank the subject of Muslims in the US, with my reply... Posted ? 2/28/2008 3:08:09 PM | show profile In reference to the story of how ABC hired actors to portray "muslims" being "abused" and then aired the reactions of people- this is very reminicent of when NBC tried the same thing at a NASCAR race. From The Belmont Club: "ABC's production crew outfitted The Czech Stop, a bustling roadside bakery north of Waco, Texas, with hidden cameras and two actors. One played a female customer wearing a traditional Muslim head scarf, or hijab. The other acted as a sales clerk who refused to serve her and spouted common anti-Muslim and anti-Arab slurs. The polarity of reactions was shocking, from support to seething disapproval. Never did we expect customers to be so passionate or candid. "Sir, would you mind ordering me an apple strudel? That's why I am here," Sabina said. Though visibly shaken by the hateful words, the man gave Sabina the cold shoulder, completed his purchase, and walked out of the bakery. "I really think that a person who owns his own business should be able to say who they sell to," he said after we told him about the experiment. Couldn't ABC News find a real incident? Today, even as ABC News manufactures their stupid scenarios, there are more than a million Filipinos working in Saudi Arabia who can't even practice their own religion openly. Some have suggested that up to half of all Filipinas employed as domestic servants in the Kingdom are raped by their employers, some even by Saudi royalty. Strange world we live in when what is staged is then denounced; but what is real is never noticed. Here's Human Rights Watch describing the abuse of domestic helpers in Saudi Arabia. You can read the whole post here: http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2008/02/first-they-stage-it-then-they-denounce.html How does this board feel about this staged/faked news non-story? my reply First, you actually raising an interesting point. Should news divisions use recreations/actors to tell a story, and/or should news divisions conduct sociological experiments such as the one you listed? But right off the bat you set the tone by heading your post 'MSM FAKES "News" (again)' which is a clue to everyone here that this isn't you just raising a point (actually quite a good one) but instead you are going to poison the whole thing by making it another FrankLobo morally superior diatribe. Secondly, you then take your interesting point and further bollocks it up by bad parallels. Muslims in the United States shouldn't be afforded the same courtesies as other Americans because Saudi Arabia treats Filipinos poorly and theoretically are raping the hired help. WTF!!?? Last time I checked, The Muslim faith was all over the world (some 1.5 billion worshipers) and they all don't come from Saudi Arabia. That's one bad argument, the other being how do you correlate the bad behavior of the Saudi government with a Muslim practitioner in the United States. Come on Frank, arguments like that would get you laughed right off the high school debate team. Thirdly, you start randomly throwing out accusations in the hope that something will stick. NBC at NASCAR. I'll grant you that if what you are saying is true (NBC went to the rally and the Muslims were treated respectfully) then I think NBC is obligated to show it. That said, how does that apply to what the ABC network is doing? You do realize they are two separate entities? What you are saying is pointless. Fourthly, when all else fails, make sure you TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE ALL OF US MUST BE BLIND AND/OR IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TRULY ALL-KNOWING. OH, BTW MAKE SURE YOU ACCUSE ALL THE LIBS OF BEING BLINDED BY THEIR OWN LIBBY-LIB AGENDAS IF THEY DON'T COMPLETELY SUBMIT TO YOUR LOGIC. I actually wonder sometime if you sit at home stewing in your own bitter juices over the fact the world hasn't discovered what a thought provoking guy you are. Hope springs eternal. William F. Buckley, Jr. passed away yesterday, maybe you can apply for his job. Frank...I don't mean to be so harsh on you. But take what I say to heart and re-evaluate your tone. |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 9:55:10 PM | show profile Liberals... and Frank's liberal usage of the word Geez Frank, where to begin? ...Please- make a list of all the "bad" words that offend your liberal sensitivities... ...Liberals love to chide Fox News... ...Silly me- I thought he was just a misguided liberal. He's (she?) just an ass.... More liberal appologist CRAP! Here is a nice one directed at me from Frank ....Take your liberal-guilt ridden head out of your arse.... ...Typical? No. Liberal Yes. Usually, when a liberal tries to stiffle free speech, it is in the form of debate.... That's just today |
| oceanvue | Posted – 4/27/2008 10:00:13 PM | show profile "That's one bad argument, the other being how do you correlate the bad behavior of the Saudi government with a Muslim practitioner in the United States." That's a good point, but far more important is to ask how do you correlate the bad behaviour of the Saudi government with a commander-in-chief in the U.S. who made sure to whisk their citizens out of the U.S. after 9/11? And how do you correlate said ongoing bad behaviour six years on with soaring oil prices and who profits by it all? |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 10:03:12 PM | show profile FrankLobo on his Pulitzer.. This from a thread in February... posted ? 2/2/2008 This subject became a threadjack in "Please God, Make it Stop" that needs to be bumped to its own thread. Frank, you are playing a little loose with the facts here aren't you. You've touted yourself as nominated for a Pulitzer when you're not a journalist....kind of a key fact to omit don't you think. Kinda like when a movie touts itself as Oscar nominated, then you find out it was for "Best Song." Now you say that you never claimed to be a journalist, yet you surely didn't dissuade anyone from thinking that when you were bragging. Why don't you tell us a little more about this Pulitzer nomination and your involvement with it. poster noname came in later with this post..... noname1234 Posted ? 2/2/2008 1:34:20 PM | show profile Back to the Pulitzer issue: Frank brought it up (more than once) to establish his credentials to lecture and, frankly, berate journalists on this board about how they are practicing their vocation incorrectly; he went so far to refer to these others as "morons," insinuating that he has a deeper understanding of the field. Again, no one is asking him to say his name or specific company, just give a bit more detail about the nature of his work that earned the nod. He could easily do that without revealing his identity. He has refused -- why? Later noname returns with another post... Posted ? 2/2/2008 5:19:06 PM | show profile Frank, what does any of that have to do with the subject of this thread: Your Pulitzer nomination. This is where the conversation stands: You said in this thread that you WERE a journalist employed by a daily newspaper newsroom in 1995 and won a nod due to your journalistic work while employed at that newsroom. However, You previously wrote" I never said I was a journalist..." So, as this has become an extremely, strangely confusing subject, you're now saying you WERE a journalist until '98 but have not worked as a journalist since then, correct? So despite skills that won the attention of the pulitzer committee, you left the field 3 years later? Frank tends to clam up when he gets busted..I wish I had the ability to italicize just to be able to differentiate between past quotes and my current thoughts... |
| oceanvue | Posted – 4/27/2008 10:25:42 PM | show profile If there was a Peabody Award for Record Amounts of Lies, Racism and Hatred, Frank would have won several... But don't be troubled by it. Two-bit rightwing internet liars like Frank are a dime a dozen. They can't help it. |
| oceanvue | Posted – 4/27/2008 10:36:36 PM | show profile I actually wonder sometime if you sit at home stewing in your own bitter juices over the fact the world hasn't discovered what a thought provoking guy you are. Hope springs eternal. William F. Buckley, Jr. passed away yesterday, maybe you can apply for his job. Haha, good one, maybe he can even join him. rLoco is sooo desperate to make himself respectable that he whines about "having a debate" with someone who has just basically called him the Loser he is. No wonder Loser Loves McCarthy. |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/27/2008 11:23:24 PM | show profile point by point... McCarthy.. You are the only person who I have ever read who thinks that Joe McCarthy was a good thing for this country. He was a drunken, opportunistic coward who leveraged peoples fear to make a name for himself. Just because people affiliated with political parties that you and Joe M. don't agree with does not give him (and you) the right to ruin their lives. He was censored by his own fellow Senators for it. How is that a good thing for either the the government or the US people? Muslim faith... Frank, you may not even realize it, but you don't like Muslims. Maybe it's an understandable response to the events on 9/11, maybe it is more than that. In your mind they are killers. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a religion of 1.5 billions people. They all aren't killers. You make the classic prejudicial mistake of branding the group and not the individual. Back to my original point in this thread. You make a point of emphasizing Obama's middle name. His middle name disgusts you on some subliminal level, and you want everyone else to feel your contempt for it. You stress the heck out of it. Your defense is "Well, that his middle name." C'mon Frank, you stress it because you dislike the Middle Eastern sound of it and you hope to stir the pot with it. As for Muslim accomplishments since 12th century...you got me. I grew up Catholic in Ohio, sorry I couldn't wow you with the facts. Liberals... you said "This board constantly focuses on conservative/liberal issues. You should amend your post to say "I (Frank) constantly focus on conservative/liberal issues." First of all, don't softpedal it as if it a polite debate. You use the term liberal as a bludgeon. In your world, liberals are further down the food chain than lawyers and used car salesmen. Maybe a step above pedophile, but definitely traitorous. Your Pulitzer nomination... I only bring this up because you use lord over people with it. Anyway, refresh my memory, what was it for? Should I revisit your views over Andrea Mackris? What was it that you called it, 'a non-story?' |
| oceanvue | Posted – 4/28/2008 12:22:07 AM | show profile I would imagine in Frank's case his mother wrote a letter to the Pulitzer committee for a letter-to-the-editor Frank got published in some small town newspaper. Right between the obits and the ads for "massage" therapists. |
| Dead Air | Posted – 4/28/2008 10:05:17 AM | show profile Point by Point part II, before I go to work... McCarthy.... Frank, here is another example where you let your views of something cloud your judgment. Not all people who had affiliations with either socialist of communist groups want to overthrow the US government. People have the right to both free speech and assembly, regardless what you and Sen. McCarthy think. You can't ban them. You can't make them take 'loyalty oaths.' Doing so violates your most basic of rights as a US citizen. You may think that Sen. McCarthy was a great American hero, but I and the rest of history say otherwise. He was actually very un-American. You're familiar with Samuel Johnson's quote, 'Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.' Sen Joe McCarthy was a scoundrel. Again, and I have to resist every temptation to type in all-caps....He was censored by his fellow senators. Muslims... Hey, you finally said 'Muslim extremists.' I think that is the proper way to frame your discussions. Hussein as a slur... You said, "Is the word "Hussein" any LESS "muslim sounding" than Obama? Or Barak?" My response: Hussein 'sounds' pan-Arabic, Barack Obama 'sounds' African continent. It. Is His. Name. Don't make a slur of it. Liberals... You said, "If you think the whole liberal v. conservative issue starts and ends with me - go back and read this board a year ago, before I came on board." My response: Yes you are not the only person who does this but you are by far the worst offender of it. You have been carrying on about this for over a year. It would be one thing thing if you actually brought something to the table, but all you do as prattle on-and-on. You would be much more effective and respected if you weren't such a bitter old man in your posts. Also, how old are you? Your thought process is 'Well, so- and-so said this so that gives me the right to be a jerk. You know Frank, if little Billy jumped off a bridge.... Andrea Mackris.... The suit wasn't dropped....that implies no action was taken. The suit was (again resisting all urges to type in caps) settled. Settled with Mackris getting a (wait for it) settlement. You said, "did you want to go into all the allegations by females against Keith Olbermann?" My response: What does one have to do with the other? Again, back to if little Billy jumped off a bridge... Has anyone filed a sexual harassment suit at MSNBC that we have somehow missed? Listen, I'll be the first person to scold Olbermann if it happens. Off to work, I'll be back later in the evening. |
| chucho | Posted – 4/28/2008 11:27:00 AM | show profile >> "...algebra, which is the fundamental building block of all mathematics and science" I said GOOD things- remembering my 8th grade Algebra nightmare, I can hardly say it was "good" (ha-ha). All kidding aside, the origins of algebra can be traced to the ancient Babylonians, circa 1800 BC. So, again- SINCE the 12th century. But, even giving you that one- is that IT? Math? << I love fact checking conservatives. Babylonians had something called rhetorical algebra -- it sort of like the theory behind the numbers. (Babylonians, by the way, are pre-Islamic iraqis). Ibn Musa authored SYMBOLIC algebra (the one that uses numbers and is the closet thing to modern algebra) and his book is where we get the name algebra, "Al-Jabr" means roughly "mend" or "repair". So, once again, Frank Lobo makes factual errors in his statements. Her'es another one: algorhythm. It's original are in Islamic mathematics. (To be fair: Arabic numerals -- the ones we use in English today -- have their roots in Hindu sancrit. The Hindus basically invented (or discovered, depending on how you see the world) the "zero".) So as usual Frank Lobo is truthy-ish at best, but it would be more apt to say WRONG. Oh, and they invented the abacus -- before the abacus European sailors couldn't pass below the equator because they lost sight of the stars they needed to navigate. That's why until the dirty Muslims invented the abacus, Europeans couldn't go around Africa by sea or venture anywhere else in the southern hemisphere. |
| chucho | Posted – 4/28/2008 11:28:25 AM | show profile >> "you're the guy who still boldly states that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was a "great American". Yes, I am. And- please, "look him up" and tell me ONE person he accused of being a communist who wasn't. And then, tell me about all the communists he was able to route out of our government as SPIES. You remember the communists don't you? Responsible for over 200,000,000 deaths? << WOW! |
| chucho | Posted – 4/28/2008 11:43:38 AM | show profile >> "because according to you, Arabs are raping their Indonesian hired help in Saudi Arabia." Not according to ME, according to several news reports and the victims themselves. But, I guess they got my talking points. << Actually, there is a difference among what one might call "Arab", what one might call "Saudi" and what one might call "Muslim". I can understand Frank's attempts to clump them all together as maid-rapers, but it's disappointing that somebody else here doesn't recognize that when a Saudi rapes a maid that maid is usually (not always) Muslim. Also: Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim country, which practices religious tolerance. There are more Indonesian Muslims than there are Middle-Eastern Arab Muslims. I know, I know: too nuanced for the average American, it seems. |
