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Topic: McClellan: Media complacant to Bush's warmongering
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| chucho | Posted – 5/28/2008 2:18:48 PM | show profile ?If anything, the national press corps was probably too deferential to the White House and to the administration in regard to the most important decision facing the nation during my years in Washington, the choice over whether to go to war in Iraq. ?The collapse of the administration?s rationales for war, which became apparent months after our invasion, should never have come as such a surprise. ? In this case, the ?liberal media? didn?t live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served.? - Scott McClellan. Yes, that's THE Scott McClellan we know and hate suddenly sounding like he's a Huffington Post blogger. How convenient. |
| Mag Girl | Posted – 5/28/2008 2:33:41 PM | show profile While I am glad he's saying this now, he should have said this years ago and quit if he truly believe the administration was doing a disservice to the American people. Now he's just riding the I-hate-Bush wagon. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/28/2008 2:45:56 PM | show profile LOL! http://action.credomobile.com/comics/2008/05/wisdom_of_rove.html |
| chucho | Posted – 5/28/2008 3:29:06 PM | show profile I'm not praising him. I feel like the penguin in the cartoon I linked to above. I will never praise that lying sack of dog d**ks. I just enjoy watching the sewage rats abandon a sinking ship by screwing over their own. Also, McClellan is just writing what will sell books. I'm not stupid. But if it pisses off Bushie, Dick and Scooter, then I draw some happiness from it. I like seeing somebody from the inner circle of that clown posse actually admitting that the evidence for invading and occupying Iraq was cooked to fit the pre-conceived paradigm. Eventually you'll come around to saying that too, either that or die being woefully stubborn. |
| UGoGirl | Posted – 5/28/2008 10:52:16 PM | show profile Nice to hear from Scott "Unanswer Man" McClellan. I always felt kind of sorry for him, he seemed like a pretty nice guy but was not equipped for the job. Tony Snow Job did a much better job. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/29/2008 5:40:28 AM | show profile >> The book says NOTHING that hasn't been said. << I agree. And what hasn't be said before will be said many more times. It will be in the history books: perhaps in a chapter entitled: Early 21st Century Failures of the Evangelical-Backed Neo-Cons. If you voted for these yahoos, Guy, then you are partially culpable for every single one of these failures, from the deficit and your grandmother's crappy Medicare drug plan, to the quagmires in Iraq and New Orleans. McClellan is selling books, and he's a douchebag as far as I'm concerned. But I love to watch Scooter, Dick and Rove squirm seeing one of their own selling them out. (I kinda agree with McClllan on Bush. I think Bush is just a dimwit that's easy to manipulate, so in a way he's a un-heroic Forrest Gump type and therefore not inherently evil, like his Veep.) |
| al medio | Posted – 5/29/2008 8:19:05 AM | show profile Boy I hope you people have a good prescription drug plan because you'll need something to help you cope with at least four more years of Bush policy.Your only hope is if the new JFK steals the election like the old JFK. |
| Latin1 | Posted – 5/29/2008 10:53:30 AM | show profile Concerning JFK . Scott McClellan's father wrote a book where he says LBJ murdered JFK. interesting. |
| astrahook | Posted – 5/29/2008 1:33:43 PM | show profile a white house press secretary spinning lies? what next, nathan lane is gay??? Chucho, not a knock on your post - I agree, nice to see rats squirming, but I wonder if lying has ever not been a part of that job. Granted, the consequences of this administration are on a grand scale but as far as I'm concerned, its non partison - they just lie. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/29/2008 1:52:23 PM | show profile >> Notice the difference in the way the MSM treats ex-Bush people that write tell-alls to the way the MSM treated ex-Clinton people who wrote tell-alls. << Ever notice how conservatives hate dissenting voices in their tent? That's probably why such a large majority of them are white middle aged or older men. It's easier to blend in. |
| catlondon | Posted – 5/29/2008 2:48:14 PM | show profile We had a multi-year, taxpayer funded (to the tune of about $70 million) tell-all about the Clintons called Kenneth Starr. I think the MSM participated pretty gleefully in that. |
| al medio | Posted – 5/29/2008 6:15:41 PM | show profile Chucho since when do liberals like dissenting voices in their tent? Ask Bernard Goldberg how well he was treated by his fellow liberals.Or maybe you can ask the neocons since they were all liberal/marxists who instead of taking my money to feed the worlds poor like a good liberal, became republicans to take my money to free the worlds poor. From your past posts you indicate your dislike with them.So tell me why conservatives can't be angry at dissenters, when it's fine for liberals to be angry at their own dissenters. |
| catlondon | Posted – 5/30/2008 11:38:30 AM | show profile If you could get a Republican to tell the truth, there would be no need for 4,000+ American families to mourn their loved ones lost during the occupation of Iraq. |
| astrahook | Posted – 5/30/2008 12:21:10 PM | show profile I did not have sex with that woman....doesn't matter what side you are on, they all lie. While the consequence of the lies of this admin are tragic, I'm not sure you could find a democrat to tell the truth either. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/30/2008 12:58:00 PM | show profile >> Chucho since when do liberals like dissenting voices in their tent? << I'm not talking about the "liberals" that people like FN commentators and Bernard Goldberg put on a pedestal and label as quintessential liberals. You see, the problem is that the right defines the argument. So "liberal" means Michael Moore and Al Franken, not the tens of millions of liberals who don't get any attention in the right-wing media. It's an old formula: to cover a anti-war rally one must find the crazy white middle class pothead with dreadlocks and label him the liberal, then attack his stupid ways. >> Ask Bernard Goldberg how well he was treated by his fellow liberals. << Goldberg engages in the formulas I describe above. Al Franken doesn't speak for me or for liberals. Michael Moore hasn't done anything swell since Roger & Me. ("Roger & Me" was his only truly great work, in much the same way the only really good Traratino film was Reservoir Dogs - both filmmakers have ridden on those laurels for the rest of their respective careers.) The liberals that I am talking about are the 50,000 mini-van drivers who attended anti-war rallies in Washington that didn't get on television because they didn't fit the right-wing mold of a liberal. >>Or maybe you can ask the neocons since they were all liberal/marxists who instead of taking my money to feed the worlds poor like a good liberal, became republicans to take my money to free the worlds poor. << That's puke. The neo-cons emerged in the early 70s and were neither liberals nor Marxists. You need to understand something: neo-conservatism has the word "neo" in it because it's not conservative in a traditional sense. In fact, it's quite Maverick and it's doesn't "free the world's poor" - it opens the way for neo-liberal trade policy to come in, give loans to the elites of countries, driving them into debt for sketchy infrastructure development (for more on how the IMF and World Bank cook the books to exaggerate the needs for FDI in infrastructure projects, read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins, a former neo-liberal economic hitman), and this debt results in austerity measures that hurt the world's poor. In a way: neo-conservatism and neo-liberalism work very well together. The neo-conservatives use all this bullshit rhetoric about "free-dim" to justify covert or overt actions to overthrow those that oppose neo-liberal trade policies. Then neo-liberals move in after that said enemy is ousted to "rebuild" through no-bid contracts, loans that these countries will have to pay off - with interest - on the backs of their disenfranchised constituencies. This sentence you wrote above is so off the mark it's almost laughable. >> From your past posts you indicate your dislike with them. So tell me why conservatives can't be angry at dissenters, when it's fine for liberals to be angry at their own dissenters. << The progressives (or liberals, if you will) often debate and bicker inside their tent. You can see that happening right now. There are the neo-liberals and the ultra-lefties and they're having a huge amount of arguments about all kinds of important issues. This is what I mean by diversity of ideas. Conservatives like to fall in behind, like elephants. There's nothing particularly wrong with that, I guess. It certainly makes your primaries a lot neater. But I prefer diversity and a true battle of ideas. In Summary: Michael Moore isn't the beginning and end of liberalism. You need to diversify your news sources. By the way you talk I can tell you get most of your information from television and people with opinions rather than people who just present the news. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/30/2008 12:58:12 PM | show profile PS: For Golberg to bitch about the "Media Elite" is funny. You hear this a lot from some of the most right-wingy media elites in America. I'm not even sure what a conservative means anymore when he says "media elites". In a traditional sense: an "elite" is ANYONE (regardless of political views) who hold a position of power government. Bill O'Reilly, as the No. 1 commentator on cable news is the No. Media Elite on cable news. It's that simple. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/30/2008 12:58:40 PM | show profile Eric ?Hank? Cartman: I don't "hate" any news channel. But I like dissing FNC because it's the "Jerry Springer" of cable news channels and get a kick out of people being so defensive about criticisms of FNC. I have consistently said that big three cable news channels are at the BOTTOM of the media food chain, like the oxygen-deprived, muddy bottom 12 inches of a dying lake where only catfish feed on dying bits of vegetation that drift down, pooped out on a 24-hour news cycle. If cable news were a food, it would be a constant barrage of chocolate bars. And people who feed of cable news are like people who candy all the time. It just so happens that in this sewage pile, CNN is on top, and MSNBC and FNC compete to be the lowest of the low. You can't get lower than cable news without drifting into those bad daily newspapers in Mexico that show people cut in half on train tracks on Page One. So there you go. |
| al medio | Posted – 5/30/2008 1:40:30 PM | show profile First of all I dislike neocons but unlike you I try and learn everything about my enemies. Lionel Trilling and the rest of the New York Intellectuals started this crap with the help of the Social Democrats like Jeane Kirkpatrick. There now you can see liberals and marxists combining to fight the new left. Now add the pro Israel lobby and supporters of Scoop Jackson a Democrat by the way and you get NEOCONS. Not puke fact. |
| gman992 | Posted – 5/30/2008 2:08:47 PM | show profile Who said it: 1. "If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow. Some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." Bill Clinton or George W. Bush? Who said it: 2. "Look, we have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?' Senator Tom Daschle or George W. Bush? Who said it: 3. "If there is not unfettered, unrestricted, unlimited access per the U.N. resolution for inspections, and UNSCOM cannot in our judgment appropriately perform its functions, then we obviously reserve the rights to press that case internationally and to do what we need to do." John Kerry or George W. Bush? 4. Who said it: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." George W. Bush or John Kerry? 1. President Bill Clinton 2. Senator Tom Daschle 3. John Kerry 4. John Kerry As for Scott McClellan. the guy comes from a long line of conspiracy wackos--his father thinks that LBJ was behind the JFK assassination. He even wrote a book about it. Talk about feeling needy. |
| gman992 | Posted – 5/30/2008 2:10:16 PM | show profile Who said it: 1. "If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow. Some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal." Bill Clinton or George W. Bush? Who said it: 2. "Look, we have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?' Senator Tom Daschle or George W. Bush? Who said it: 3. "If there is not unfettered, unrestricted, unlimited access per the U.N. resolution for inspections, and UNSCOM cannot in our judgment appropriately perform its functions, then we obviously reserve the rights to press that case internationally and to do what we need to do." John Kerry or George W. Bush? 4. Who said it: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." George W. Bush or John Kerry? 1. President Bill Clinton 2. Senator Tom Daschle 3. John Kerry 4. John Kerry As for Scott McClellan. the guy comes from a long line of conspiracy wackos--his father thinks that LBJ was behind the JFK assassination. He even wrote a book about it. Talk about feeling needy. ps. Remember when the Democrats--FDR and Harry S. Truman actually fought to give people freedom?? But, given their recent policy over Florida and Michigan, need we be surprised that they are all talk and no action?? |
| al medio | Posted – 5/30/2008 2:11:38 PM | show profile And as for conservatives falling in line, you must not be paying close enough attention (I can understand with all the noise from the Clinton/Obama race) they hate McCain, he never received a majority of their vote in the primaries. |
| al medio | Posted – 5/30/2008 3:27:59 PM | show profile Now Eric don't confuse chucho with your logic he's too busy making "monkey noises" on other threads. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/30/2008 4:12:57 PM | show profile >> chucho Would a liberal that's anti-abortion be allowed to speak at one of your big tent gatherings ?? << I don't know about the conventions. The right to an aboriton is one of the keystones of the progressives (I assume you want to outlaw it? Or are you saying a pro-choicer could stand up at a Republican convention and decry outlawing abortion?). HOWEVER, pro choice Democrats often given money to pro-life Democrats in the south. In one example, Chuck Schumer gave $50,000 to the guy (I forgot his name) running in Oklahoma (maybe Carson?) because conservative Democrats int he south are still considered allies even if they aren't given the limelight at conventions. So, in fact I do think a lot of supprt goes around, especially between more liberal Democrats in the norther and their more conservative counterparts in states like Oklahoma. But you wouldn't know that if you watch teevee all the time. This kind of stuff is barely reported in print. I only know this because I did a lot of research during the last election. Now to take you rquestion back to you: I'd love to see you come up with any example of Republican conservatives doing the same thing (pro-lifers giving money to pro-choicers). I really don't hink that happens much (if at all) because the conservatives really only have a couple of key platform points that keeps the two sides of the party together: gay marriage and sex poltics. I have no idea why you people are so obsessed with other people's sexual habits, but there you go. |
| chucho | Posted – 5/30/2008 4:18:04 PM | show profile And let me be clear, hyperbole aside: being a conservative and being a liberal is not a black and white thing please refer to my previous comments about how in my opinion conservatives tends to view things in black and white, so we're going to probably disagree on this point, too. A Democrat in Oklahoma might be pro gun and anti-choice, but he will support progressive tax policy, increased corporate regulations, caps on insurance premiums and providing state-healthcare to children ("What? Those children should stand up on their own two feet instead of expecting guv-mint handouts!") So in the real world it's difficult to parse the two sides, I agree with that. But the observation that conservative tend to view thing in black vs white is a fair observation considering how much "black vs white" rhetoric is used by your conservative leaders. I also think "conservative" is a misnomer. There's nothing conservative about running up a trillion-dollar deficit, and there is no excuse in the world for doing so. I don't care if 10,000 people died on 9/11. |
| my ball...my rules | Posted – 6/1/2008 8:25:56 AM | show profile You mean this administration used lies and propaganda to get us into this war?You mean this administration used the media for their own gain????? I'm sooooo shocked to hear this.I know this has NEVER happen before!!!!!!!! If the media has the power to start/stop wars why can't they stop this war??? Every war this country has been in has been based on lies/propaganda.Democrats remember the wars you have started based on lies??? Whats really new about his book?? |
