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| glurf | Posted – 6/5/2003 2:51:05 PM | show profile Alert NASA There IS something denser than a black hole ... |
| ariwriter | Posted – 6/5/2003 3:16:18 PM | show profile You know what, glurf? You are personalizing this. You have posted in the past about your relationship with me. I have not reciprocated. That means something. |
| sciwriter | Posted – 6/5/2003 3:24:35 PM | show profile please don't steal my lunch money I agree that there is some misguided advice being offered, but I think anyone who blindly approaches this BB for guidance would have the sense to take whatever feedback they get with a grain of salt. and the people who post often, or are mainly just observers (like myself) probably have a feeling for who is experienced and reliable. and in the end, it is just a BB. people who are a little too big for their britches are going to post here. and I think it does a nonservice to the community (not to mention wastes a lot of time and energy) to attack and alienate people who seem to geniuinely think they know what they're talking about. correct them, be irritated, ignore their posts, but for pete's sake, show some maturity. I think the BB needs an intervention. its turned into a junior high playground here. don't get me wrong- I don't want to be seen as a great defender of ari (who once called the liberal college I went to "just a sex school"- uh, thanks.), but seeing how he is being treated is such a turnoff that I can't help but think it'll deter others from participating. that includes people with valuable advice to offer and novices who are looking for some mentoring. |
| bjoconnorfla | Posted – 6/5/2003 3:27:25 PM | show profile Ari -- I don't know what we expect you to say either, though we know it will be pretty clueless. What we WANT, in the word's of South Park's Chef, is for you to shut the fudge up. OK? Just listen. People are giving you some good (but hard to take) feedback. To whit: You come across as a big-mouthed, obnoxious know-nothing egostistical beginner who has no place offering advice, which makes you look bad since it is so pointedly wrong and stupid. If this is the way you conduct yourself in your minor dead-end contract gig, then you are going to find yourself unemployed sooner than later. You don't know nearly as much as you think you do and real professionals won't put up with that crap for long, lest you take them down with you. If this is a bistro, then you are like some rude waiter butting in where he's not welcome. If this is a dinner party, then you are the guy everyone leaves to avoid. You seem like an intelligent guy who wants to get ahead (NOT the same as smart), but you don't know what you don't know, which makes you dangerous to others in a variety of ways, such as editors reponsible for your copy, but also to innocents who may stumble onto this board and follow your wrong-headed advice. But mostly, folks who don't know what they don't know are dangerous to themselves. Listen to what we are saying. You have a lot to learn. Keep your mouth shut, work your butt off and you might get somewhere in a few years. When you do, you better pray that your posts here have vanished. Otherwise, I've seen you're kind and they don't last long in this business, and they don't leave happy, either. Do us a favor, but mostly, do yourself one. |
| glurf | Posted – 6/5/2003 3:39:02 PM | show profile I apologize to anyone who is offended, but I don’t consider it bullying because he’s been repeatedly told the same information in a number of polite ways. In my view he is being stubborn and deliberately argumentative. I’m all for charting your own path, but if everyone on a professional board disagreed with me on a point (and it has happened), I’d either drop it or reconsider my own views. I would not staunchly defend myself to the point of alienating everyone else. And sorry Ari, but it’s not personal. I bit my tongue a number of times in the year or so you’ve been posting because I didn’t want to resort to that, but when someone is deliberately spreading misinformation after repeated warnings, and I have knowledge that they haven’t a clue what they are talking about, I’m going to speak up. And so far, I’ve mentioned our, ahem, professional experience only once. It’s not done with malice. I wish there was something I could say to get you to realize that everyone who I disagreeing with you is telling these things in your best interest. If you would really think about it, why would a handful of professionals who spend their time freely helping everyone else on the board single you out unless you were truly offering bad advice? Not to mention that no one would bother you if you'd stop giving unwarrented advcie. I can see, however, that I am wasting my breath here. |
| ariwriter | Posted – 6/5/2003 3:50:08 PM | show profile to sciwriter and bjoconnorfla to sciwriter: for the record, i did not call bard a sex school but bill did. i merely reiterated to you what he told me. personally, i've never been there and don't know anything about it other than attracting the stereotype of a lot of rich kids and they have small classes. to bjoconnorfla: you said you have seen my kind. what do you mean? |
| bjoconnorfla | Posted – 6/5/2003 4:36:02 PM | show profile Inexperienced kids who think they know a great deal more than their meager credentials prove they do. They annoy the hell out of people. I have fired several. |
| new_id_again | Posted – 6/5/2003 4:50:58 PM | show profile one good thing about ari His posts do provide a little entertainment for us work-at-homers. |
| Miss Place | Posted – 6/5/2003 6:14:49 PM | show profile The response from the editor It was good that I asked, and it turns out that it's not such a huge deal. I may yet write for the PR thingie under a pseudonym, but I hafta say that if there really is a conflict (which I don't think is the case) then a different name doesn't make it less of one. He said: "I don't think this would conflict, particularly if you are careful not to write about the same topics for them/us. " Moral: Some eds would care, some wouldn't, but it makes sense to be upfront about it. And Ari: I didn't think your answer was correct but it made me think about the issue in different ways which was intersting and worthwhile, so thank you for responding. |
| new_id_again | Posted – 6/5/2003 8:36:47 PM | show profile I'd just like to add that one of the hallmarks of conflict of interest situations is that the people in them generally don't perceive they have a conflict of interest. It's those whose interests are being compromised who see the conflict. In any case, I don't think all those editors who are wary of conflicts of interest are always over reacting or out to lunch. It's definitely something to keep an eye on. |
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