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latest "Truth": Sandy Hook is an Obama hoax
Posted - 1/11/2013 1:10:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
Do you understand that emergency events don't unfold neatly? DO YOU? No, you don't. You're nothing but another conspiracy theorist who has never covered one and doesn't know what they're talking about.
Do you understand that new coverage during emergency events undergoes constant adjustment and that afterward a newsroom post-mortem is held to discuss the coverage and figure out where the holes are and lay down procedure for even better coverage the next time? DO YOU? No, you don't.
No, you insist every day on dredging up reports made on location as the event was unfolding in order to hammer away at your incessant contention that media doesn't do its job. In other words, lie by omission.
It doesn't matter to you that you subscribe to conspiracy theories dependent on sheep NOT to bother learning about coverage or looking up further coverage, but only to swallow what's put into their trough: that media didn't do this, media didn't do that, why isn't this being reported, it's all a coverup, blah, blah, whine, whine -- when the entire problem and the entire conspiracy is your own sorry lack of initiative and your own pitiful inability to look up anything either because you're incapable or because of the possibility that it might blow your mind to discover that the theory you so wanted to believe is only a piece of trash.
Posted - 1/11/2013 1:26:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
Why is the fact that I am asking a simple question so upsetting to you?
One thing that has unfolded over the last decade, which you have used here, is the accusation that anyone who dares ask a question is a conspiracy theorist.
By asking questions, we are no longer "journalists," "reporters," "investigators," or "researchers." We are conspiracy theorists. Because the easiest way to try to discredit someone is to call them "crazy." Do you know who coined the term? The CIA, during the 1960s.
And I don't care to persuade anyone. I'm just curious as to why the QUESTIONS aren't being asked.
In truth, we know relatively little about what happened.
The police aren't talking. The responders didn't see anything. The parents, aside from a few little memorial-type interviews, aren't talking as they've been assigned police protection (each family has been given a police contact/overseer to keep the media at bay, it's in the police press release).
Evidence of the crime, which is usually released within two weeks, as I understand, will not be released until March.
There is no surveillance footage of the school/event.
I have never said there was a cover-up. Frankly, there isn't enough information out there to even suggest that.
Why are you so annoyed that I am asking some basic, simple questions? You really have a lot of gall to call me a conspiracy theorist when I am simply asking BASIC QUESTIONS.
Are you really a reporter? Or do you just play one on this board?
Posted - 1/11/2013 1:57:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
I forgot to thank you for posting that link. I had not seen that photo before, so thanks.
Posted - 1/11/2013 1:59:08 PM | show profile | flag this post
What follow-up would you have done? Any? Or would you accept all details as is, no follow-up needed, no holes in the story, no tidbits that need to be tied up?
Posted - 1/11/2013 2:10:16 PM | show profile | flag this post
What follow-up would you have done? Any? Or would you accept all details as is, no follow-up needed, no holes in the story, no tidbits that need to be tied up? ***
What follow-up would I have done?
It depends on what was not covered in subsequent reports from the scene that still needed to be covered. WHAT IS IT ABOUT FURTHER REPORTS FROM THE SCENE AS INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND?
That's what you're missing. That's what your conspiracy theorists WANT you to miss, and it's what you're buying into.
If that's what you insist on doing, do it. Don't waste MY time.
Posted - 1/11/2013 2:46:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** Why is the fact that I am asking a simple question so upsetting to you? ***
You didn't ask "a simple question." What sent me over the edge is that this latest example of your constant traipsing onto a forum of posters who were or are in news media in an attempt to trample our profession while needling us over the erroneous, incomplete, conspiracy-theorist junk to which you wholeheartedly subscribe. Then you -- who not only know zero about news coverage but also don't want to know anything about it and can't be bothered to look up the coverage you claim was never done -- put your hands over your eyes when anyone attempts to explain it to you.
Absent any willingness to pay attention to the professionals here, the only thing you're accomplishing on this forum is that you're wasting media professionals' goodwill and time. Congratulations. Now it's game over. Your constant playing of "Chicken Little," to the exclusion of anything anyone posts that could help you to learn how to become news literate and how the profession works, has gotten tiresome and supremely annoying.
I'm writing you off. Some of these other people will keep toying with you for fun, the way cats do with mice, but wasting even one more minute of time on you is not for me.
Posted - 1/11/2013 5:22:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** The police aren't talking. The responders didn't see anything. The parents, aside from a few little memorial-type interviews, aren't talking as they've been assigned police protection (each family has been given a police contact/overseer to keep the media at bay, it's in the police press release) ***
I just looked back to see whether I had judged a little too harshly, and I ran across this paragraph. My gawd, you don't even understand the most basic procedures of a criminal investigation.
Posted - 1/11/2013 7:03:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
You ask questions....
Why not look it up yourself?
I just GIS (google image search) "sandy hook bodies" and plenty of photos came up of stretchers and bodies, and teams at the schools. There are even areals of the photo I linked to that clear shows the truck is an emergency response ops centre. It's surrounded by medical forensic teams in scrubs and blue booties.
None of this is a secret.
Photo of law enforcement and SMS right in front of the school bus. First responders everywhere.
There are also photos of parents, crumbled on the street, in anguish and agony.
Young children, survivors, with looks of terror in their faces, consoled by other kids.
I suppose they faked that. Good actors..
But like I said none of this will satisfy you, because you are not asking questions. You are only trying to legitimize your false opinions and conspiracy theories.
Perhaps you feel it is journalism's job to call up grieving families now and ask, demandingly, "why are you lying about your child's murder?!"
Be prepared to be disappointed.
But I suppose at some point these "truthers" will start knocking on family doors.
In which case even I may change my opinion on the right to carry arms, and protect property from trespassers.
Posted - 1/11/2013 11:31:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
I honestlyi don't understand why you hate the news biz so much.but what the heck, to each his own.
But you must have known that to blatantly say--repeatedly--that there were no EMS personnel at the scene is just patently ridiculous.
It was chaos and catastrophe and confusion. Total bedlam and bloody awful. The Press did as well as to be expected under the circumstances. Of course there were ambulances and EMS on the scene--until the horrible recognition that they were no longer needed: (from NBC)
"There had been no mention on open channels of how many people had died. But at 10 a.m., there was a frantic call, in police lingo, for ambulances.
“We need buses here. ASAP,” said someone at the scene.
“Send the ambulance right up to me … Get the bus! Get the bus!”
Moments later, came this advisory: “You might want to see if the surrounding towns can send EMS personnel. We’re running out real quick.”
Another minute and it was becoming clear that Newtown was dealing with a tragedy of unprecedented proportions.
“Call for everything,” said the voice on the radio.
That gave way to radio chatter about logistics – the creation of a triage center and staging area where panicked parents could be reunited with children who survived.
There was talk of four children who had fled the campus after the shooting and were being brought back as police tried to account for every student.
Then came the horrifying revelation about victims in a closet, and a directive that suggested police were not expecting to find many survivors among the victims:
“Hold all other ambulances.”
(Of course you're entitled to ask questions, but you really are beginning to sound like a conspiracy nut. In my opinion.)