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| cdnreprtr |
Posted - 8/24/2012 7:36:08 PM | show profile | flag this post
Stop the presses !!!1!!!
A GOP pol accusing a Dem of wrongdoing without any evidence?!!?
That's unpossible! (whitewater, swift booat, birthers....)
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 8/25/2012 10:10:32 AM | show profile | flag this post
*** "This means a single illegal immigrant can show up at the border and be removed numerous times in a single year — and counted each time as a removal.” ***
When is a removal not a removal? When Lamar Smith wants to get his boy elected, that's when.
There's no dispute that the numbers have gone down. ICE doesn't dispute it. Border Patrol agents, when you talk with them in person, don't dispute it. Neither do residents of border towns. So the GOP has to stretch to belittle it.
As for the Washington Times' closing-line crack about amnesty: Wouldn't it be a treat to have all the illegal immigrants scooped up and dumped across the border on the same day and Republicans' businesses collapse the next day (not to mention their shaggy lawns and messy houses)? I'd sell tickets and popcorn to watch it.
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| cruster |
Posted - 8/25/2012 12:42:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
Illegals Stealing our Jobs!
25 of the top 100 CEO's at Fortune 500 companies in the US are now illegal immigrants brought to America by Obama.
I'm pretty sure that's true.
And at least two of them have carried out terrorist attacks. I think.
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| nielsen box |
Posted - 8/25/2012 4:36:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
HA! HA! Cruster being stupid for da cause!!!!!!
There's no dispute the Obama admin. is manipulating deportation stats. This is just further proof .
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| stopbs-- |
Posted - 8/25/2012 5:48:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
Grateful..
I think that all businesses, whether Republican or Democrat owned, should be fined for breaking the immigration laws. The fines should be meaningful. That way the government will make badly needed money instead of losing it through deportation. Though the Boarder Patrol should indeed be free to do it's job according to the law, we do not need to spend a lot of tax dollars arresting and deporting illegals, unless they are hardcore criminals. When the job sources dry up, I predict that many will leave along with their families and it should all be handled humanely.
Yes, the price of some foods and car washes may rise for Americans but, on the other hand, companies will be forced to pay at least minimum wage to employees, as they should.
Once illegals return to their home countries, they should be able to apply for U.S citizenship in a more streamlined fashion instead of the seemingly difficult process we have in place.
This will result in the U.S. admitting new, LEGAL, citizens from a VARIETY of countries, who bring their own different, interesting cultures, just as in the late 1880s and early 1900s. All those entering should be encouraged to assimilate and learn the language so that they can succeed in American society. We should not be catering to their language difference when that is, in fact, just keeping them in ignorance and keeping them down.
One problem I see for illegal hispanics immigrants is that, so many have been allowed to stay that many tend to become self-ghettoized, never learning the language which would help them move up the economic ladder.
It just seems simple to me. Would you have a problem with this, Grateful?
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 8/25/2012 9:27:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yes, enforcement on *employers* has always been key to handling the problem. We've talked about this since the '80s. But it's NOT simple.
This is ridiculously cheap labor that's kept cheap by intimidation. Where are employers going to find this kind of legal workforce that it can underpay yet over which it can have this so power? If all the help has to be paid according minimum wage laws, these employers will go out of business. Moreover, the business that sold food, housing, etc. to illegal immigrants will go out of business.
That it would work, however, is seen right now. It isn't really enforcement that has caused the number of deportations to fall; it's the economy. There are fewer jobs available for undocumented workers.
Unfortunately, the ethnophobics in this country isn't going to allow the immigration process to be streamlined. The great brown Spanish-speaking menace haunts them. They don't know the link to the Bracero program. They don't have the context of how this mess happened in the first place. To them, it's just a bunch of greedy immigrants come to suck at the tit of the American taxpayer.
You made some uninformed statements about Hispanics in the United States -- for instance, "catering" to "their" language. No immigrant group that ever came to the United States ever dropped its language at the door, and it's unreasonable to demand that they do. Can you imagine trying to force English on some 75-year-old granny who just got here from China to live with her family -- or cut her out of the opportunity to be an American? It would be cruel. Linguists believe that language and thought are inextricably linked. English was not the native language in this country in the first place; and I think it would be well for every American citizen to remember the inscription on the Statue of Liberty.
You seem to think that Latinos don't want to learn English. This is a fallacy. I'm part of a generation whose parents insisted that we know only English, even though they spoke Spanish with each other at home. Now we're at a disadvantage, having to learn Spanish like non-native speakers. In a way, our parents robbed us of the opportunity to be naturally bilingual in a global economy by prohibiting us from speaking their language. As well, you must be aware of the number of publications for Latinos that are printed only in English. That's by design, not by mistake and not for you.
You seem also to believe that illegal immigrants haul the whole fam damily across the river. This is not true. It's too expensive and too dangerous. Take a look at the names of the victims in some of those crashes of cars and vans carrying illegal immigrants. They are not related. What happens is that one family member comes and wires money back home. There are also people who cross illegally every day; I have heard anecdotally from people who know people who've been burned by hanging onto the bottoms of vehicles at the Tijuana cross, for instance, to get to daily jobs in San Diego.
You seem not to understand why illegal immigrants settle down together. I don't know how to put this mildly, but it's because they're undocumented and they want to stay.
The huge shame at the moment is the ethnophobia that's being directed at all Latinos. It's sickening to feel hated because of your heritage, or for knowing two languages, one of them unapproved by haters. Boy, could I tell you tales -- and I was born in the Midwest with parents who were also U.S. citizens (and military veterans, too!). But people here on green cards have it worse.
I don't understand how anyone could think this problem is as "easy" to solve as fining all the employers and stripping all incoming legal immigrants of their culture.
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 8/25/2012 9:33:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
P.S. Please excuse the sloppiness. My eyes have been bothering me, and my typing and proofreading are suffering because of it. Maybe it's too much time at the computer -- might take next week off to rest my vision. Thanks for understanding!
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