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orthicon	Posted - 8/12/2012 11:37:20 PM \| show profile \| flag this post he picked paul ryan as running mate.. thereby terminally alienating just about every FEMALE voter in the country.. consider this..the republican ticket is now headed by two men whose religious beliefs assign women to second class status.. a mormon and an old-line archconservative catholic.. and yes..religion WILL now become an issue in this campaign.. and should.. both men claim to be religious.. now they need to be called to account as to what their beliefs mean in the real world..

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 8/13/2012 8:47:44 AM \| show profile \| flag this post I haven't heard the cruzos and WTFs... this excited since McCain nominated Palin! Remember the predictions of how McCain would win in a landslide? Ryan not only scares away independent women -- the key demographic Obama needs to win -- but it scares away seniors. Ryan's plan is to gut Medicare and Medicaid and effectively offer retires who spend a lifetime paying for these programs nothing more than a 50-cent off coupon to go shopping for prohibitively expensive private insurance. And what's next? Obviously that Holy Grail of GOP politics: the privatization of Social Security. Trust Mitt. He knows Goldman Sachs would do a fine job of running Social Security!

cruiser	Posted - 8/13/2012 12:52:52 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Deliberate bald-faced lie Neither current 65+ Medicare patients nor those within ten years of retirement will be affected AT ALL. And traditional Medicare will remain an option for everyone else. Why is it Democrats are so morally and ethically deficient they have to make up lies? Is it because they KNOW Obama cannot win on his record? Is partisan dishonesty becoming the new normal?

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 8/13/2012 1:45:34 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Why do YOU have to tell a bald-face lie... about the Ryan plan, cruzo? Is that the only way to slide it past voters -- to tell them he has no desire to completely overhaul Medicare? To say that he doesn't want to privatize Social Security? You're no fan of either program. Why not just admit that now, your party has a guy on the ticket who wants to get rid of both of these "socialist" programs? Why are you so afraid of the truth? If seniors aren't affected by the Ryan plan, why is Romney hiding Ryan from voters in Florida today? Why isn't Ryan doing today's stretch of the victory lap with Romney through the state with the country's largest senior population? You spout Romney and TEA Party talking points pretty good, cruzo -- but the fact that Romney is afraid of getting close to the Ryan plan and hellbent on keeping Ryan out of Florida speaks a lot louder.

cruiser	Posted - 8/13/2012 2:08:52 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *Democrats are scared shtless** and the naming of Paul Ryan is just another burr under their saddles. The Romney-Ryan ticket has the ONLY coherent plan to fix an ailing ecomony that Obama doesn't have a clue how to address. It is Obama who has stolen $700 million from Medicare. The Romney-Ryan plan makes NO chanes for seniors 65 and over, nor for those ten years out from retirement...and makes traditional Medicare an option for everyone else. But the Romney-Ryan plan strengthens Medicare to make it sustainable for future generations. All of this is why Democrats seem to find it necessary to make up bald-faced lies about Romney, about Ryan, about the ticket's budget plan. They feel the need to try to scare old people by lying about Medicare, Social Security, etc. Democrats are on the slippery slope to oblivion.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 8/13/2012 2:34:18 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Scared? What are you smoking, cruzo? Democrats where hoping for Ryan! Oh, that's right. You don't read political coverage that doesn't come in the form of talking points from the right wing fringe. The polling out today shows only a minor bump -- and that's a BUMP -- meaning it won't stick. It's way less than what Romney needs for momentum into the convention. The Ryan choice creates a clear difference between Democrats fighting for Americans and Republicans fighting to send our tax money to Wall Street. And you can't run from Ryan's Medicare plans. But Romney sure is trying to! Why isn't Ryan in Florida? Why did Romney cut his Florida bus tour short? What is Romney hiding? It's not just his taxes! Now he's hiding Ryan from Florida voters!

orthicon	Posted - 8/13/2012 3:57:21 PM \| show profile \| flag this post ryan's selection was music to the ears.. of the democratic party.. in one fell swoop, the republicans gave up senior citizens, women, moderate republicans and the independent and undecided voters.. all of whom VOTE.. the tea party base is thrilled with ryan..but there are nowhere near enough of them to carry an election..and there's no telling what effect the ryan "plan" will have on the down-ticket races..the senate and congressional races..notfg to mention statewide races everywhere.. in the interests of party solidarity, every one of the republican candidates are going to have to swear fealty to the party platform and the romney/ryan plans.. the romney/ryan ticket won't be the only losers election night.. it could be almost all of them..

cdnreprtr	Posted - 8/13/2012 4:54:15 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Honestly, I dont think the GOP is interested in winning this Sure, Romney wants to win. But the teaparty / neocon / libertarian true believer core sees this as an opportunity for Romney / centrists / RINOs to fail; thus providing justification for the far-right takeover of the party. The fact is Romney is a moderate. A bland but somewhat effective business/policy wonk that had Dems on his staff and worked across the aisle in Mass, but has been increasing pushed to the right in the primaries and now with his VP pick. This is all transition time for the GOP, a battle between the old bipartisans and new radical ideologues. It will give the Dems a voter edge for the next ten years. But that means even more bitter and divisive politics .. all attributed to a "failure" of "government" or 'washington" The fact is these cons are not interested in making government work. They're only interested in its destruction. At some point the voter frustration will be so high, and the turnout so low, that the core cons will win. And they'll go about dismantling everything that built American prosperity and prestige over the past 100 years, because of cons blind faith in a bad 1930's novelist and proven failed economic theory . medicare. public schools. science grant. all regulation .. financial, drug, heath, environment. they want it all to end. Gingrich was totally right in calling Ryan's medicare plan"right-wing social engineering" Because that is what it all is. They have no plan to replace it. philosophically they believe the invisible hand of capital will somehow fix it all, despite 400 yars of history and struggle to the contrary. The only out here is for the Dems to step up their game and make government work, despite the all out con assault to make all government fail. or for Americans to fight back. honestly, it is an impossible task. Thank God i'm in canada. Y'all are on a self-destructive path to irrelevancy and a collapse of empire that would make Britian and France blush. Better work on your chinese, Y'all. Nee how ma!

it's just tv folks	Posted - 8/13/2012 6:19:30 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Seniors vote Most seniors also give a damn about their children and grandchildren. Seniors know first hand that Medicare is a good thing. Just because they're "safe" from the Romney/Ryan ax doesn't mean they don't care about everyone else. Of course there will be anomalies like that cranky, 73 year old, tinfoil hat wearing, paranoid, delusional who regularly posts here.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 8/13/2012 8:06:22 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I think the election is clear now. Do you guys follow Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight at the NYT?

stopbs--	Posted - 8/13/2012 8:35:54 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I don't feel alienated No politicians, or anyone else for that matter, can keep me down just because I'm a woman. I haven't heard anything from these two men that would lead me to believe that they view woman as second class citizens. Anyway, if so many of you liberals care about the status of woman why are you always so eager to defend a religion that actually does treat woman like cattle and even stones them to death? Now, I think you might just have a problem with that, huh? Even a small problem? Anybody?

VTexan	Posted - 8/13/2012 8:43:24 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Of COURSE Who wouldn't be against a religion that suggests that? You been smokin' that wacky tobacky?

orthicon	Posted - 8/13/2012 8:58:38 PM \| show profile \| flag this post stop.. when your ability to get female-specific health care. goes away or is severely restricted.. when all funding for planned parenthood is done away with.. when abortion comes under severe fire from the administration.. when the violence against women act is NOT renewed because they don' think it's necessary anymore.. then come talk to me about how romney and ryan are not im[pacting ouy.. lor all women..

cruiser	Posted - 8/13/2012 9:01:37 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "if so many of you liberals care about the status of woman" why would leftwingers NOT be upset with the Obama administration that pays women 17 percent less than men?

cruster	Posted - 8/13/2012 9:06:06 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Crickets That Obama pays 17% less to women. It's supposed to be 25% less Paying them more than that is socialism.

orthicon	Posted - 8/13/2012 10:48:59 PM \| show profile \| flag this post whiskey.. i'm SURE you realize that 700 billion.. is exactly the same amount ryan wants to cut.. so you're saying it's good when ryan wants it.. bad when obama wants it?.. that about it?..thought so.

orthicon	Posted - 8/13/2012 11:54:51 PM \| show profile \| flag this post 700 billion is 700 billion, pal.. it's absolutely ludicrous to attack obama for doing the exact same thing ryan wants to do if elected.. cuts ryan, in fact, took directly from obama's proposals..

stopbs--	Posted - 8/15/2012 7:30:11 PM \| show profile \| flag this post That's just it, orth My ability to get female-specific health care will not go away. I still believe it would take the second coming itself to reverse Roe v. Wade. Planned Parenthood will survive without government funding. Why? All those people paying $38,500 for dinner with Obama will fund it. I'll even give what I can. And that's as it should be, imo. Get the government out of it and let them spend their money as they wish. The Violence Against Women Act passed with bi-partisan support. Is it necessary? I don't know. I'd like to see the numbers on whom and how many it has helped and whether mandatory sentencing has reduced violence against women. If it's working, then there's no reason that it won't continue receiving bi-partisan support. You could basically make the same argument you made (minus the VAWA) against any right wing ticket. Democrats could and likely did make the same argument against Reagan. He won the first election because the country knew if had made a mistake in electing Carter. And talk about a landslide. Reagan won every state in his second term except Minnesota.. and it wasn't because he was anti-abortion. Those are just not the issues affecting women right now, imo. We care about the economy. We care about jobs and the high unemployment number which a community organizer said would go down if we gave him nearly a trillion dollars. Didn't happen. I think men make a mistake when they assume what is important to women. It's time to put people in office who actually understand finance and business and who understand, yes, the "job creators," the people who really make this country run. But, if anything you predict does come to pass, I'll certainly get back to you.... you know that.

orthicon	Posted - 8/15/2012 8:44:56 PM \| show profile \| flag this post please do get back to me... sorry to say i'll be expecting that message if romney/ryan somehow pulls this out.. (they won't..but i'll still worry about you anyway..)

stopbs--	Posted - 8/18/2012 11:51:36 PM \| show profile \| flag this post thanks, orth :)