So What Do You Do, Anil Dash, Chief Evangelist, Six Apart
Ahead of his Mediabistro Circus appearance next week, the longtime blogger looks into the medium's future.
May 16, 2008
Anil Dash, one of the main speakers at the Mediabistro Circus next week, has been on the blogging scene more or less since the medium began taking hold in 1999. Now the "chief evangelist" at Six Apart (which created Movable Type, TypePad, and Vox, and owns LiveJournal), Dash spends his time managing communities, blogging, and marketing and developing products for the company. "I basically try to help all our customers interface with the company, and help our staff do their jobs better. By using blogs!" he says, describing his role. He delves into how the blogosphere (and the perception of bloggers) has changed in recent years and what he thinks blogs will be like in the future.
Name: Anil Dash Position: Chief evangelist, Six Apart Resume: I started out as a geek, one of those folks who grew up having a little computer at home that I programmed on. That evolved into a consulting company, and then later I ended up working in media, first in the music business and then finally in the journalism and publishing world when I was working at the Village Voice. But almost the entire time, I'd loved the web and the idea of using it as a space for personal expression, and so I started blogging in 1999. By the time my friends were co-founding Six Apart in 2002, it seemed almost inevitable that I'd want to combine my love of the technology industry with my love of media, and building a blogging company was the perfect way to do that. Birthdate: September 5, 1975 Hometown: Outside of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Education: "I'm a high school graduate, though I've dabbled in higher education over the years. As the son of immigrants in a family where everybody's got a master's degree or a PhD, I'm not sure they're thrilled I'm the first to not go to college." Marital status: Happily married to Alaina Browne. (She is, among other things, the general manager of SeriousEats.com) First Section of the Sunday Times: "Magazine. Big pictures and shiny pages are perfect for my short attention span." Favorite TV show: "Can I still say The Wire? I know it's over, but they haven't made anything better yet." Last book read: Probably Clay Shirky's Here Comes Everybody, though Jhumpa Lahiri's latest is the answer that popped to mind. Guilty pleasure: "I don't believe in guilty pleasures. I think people who apologize for liking popular music or entertaining films are wasting energy inflicting misery on themselves."
You've been a blogger since the beginning of the format. How do you think blogging has changed over the past six of seven years (both in content and format)? I think blogging has really broadened out into a lot of different niches in the past decade. It used to be common for popular blogs to be about a wide range of topics that would shift over time or from day to day. Today, almost all of the biggest blogs are about a particular topic, and are run by teams of professionals who publish on a set schedule. Similarly, it used to be common to augment or interweave long-form essays with shorter, link-based annotation of other content, but popular sites usually choose one format or the other. There have been some more fundamental changes, like the introduction of podcasting and rich media like video, or more aggregation and sharing-based services like Tumblr and Vox, but those are still in their nascent stages. Twitter is interesting, but I think a lot of people who think it's really new probably weren't around to see LiveJournal or Blogger back in 1999, when they were similarly simple.
How has your idea of blogging changed over this time -- and what is different in the types of things you blog about. I also actually really love the blogs we publish inside our company to keep tabs on people and projects. We've got offices in San Francisco, New York, Paris and Tokyo, so it'd be impossible to all be on the same page without using this kind of technology, but it also lets us connect at a real human level with our coworkers. I can see the links people post, or the music people are listening to, and then even if it's been a few months since I've visited our office in San Francisco, it's like no time has passed at all when I see people that I've been reading on our internal blogs.
Bloggers -- particularly political bloggers -- were portrayed early on as amateurs musing on minutiae, with the mainstream media often referring to them typing in bathrobes. Today, a large number of mainstream media outlets have their own blogs and have co-opted the form for their own. How has the perception of what bloggers do changed?
That reality of these being professional-level journalists, whether independent or affiliated with an established media brand, isn't yet reflected broadly in public perception. People see scare stories on To Catch A Predator about creepy guys finding out your daughter's home address, and they think "that's blogging!" or they see someone forward a funny cat picture and they think "oh, so that's what a blog is". They might get sent a link to Huffington Post or Talking Points Memo or something, but most regular web users don't even register that those might be blogs, let alone if they're on the Time magazine site. It's just "news."
Who have been some of the people blogging who have helped change this perception? There are also the other cultural drivers, from geeky sites like BoingBoing and legal geeks like Larry Lessig helping drive the conversation about intellectual property, or the various gadget blogs taking what was an arcane culture of product reviews into this new era where a Steve Jobs product launch is a religious event. Even the huge number of mom blogs and dad blogs have changed the parenting industry, where the norm has shifted from "how to be a perfect parent" to "here's what it's really like."
What are some of the main growth areas in blogging these days? Who is blogging more, and where are your new clients coming from? Is it more businesses or individuals? Are there different types of blogs that are becoming more prevalent? Blogs are a fundamental part of online marketing now, too. It's astounding how quickly that change has happened, but anybody who's concerned about search engine optimization or easy content publishing or maintaining a relationship with a community of customers online knows that the first thing you need to do is get a blog. And of course, personal blogging is still growing by leaps and bounds. More and more people are realizing they want to have a record of the moments of their lives, especially as the tools get easier and it's simpler to have some privacy controls to choose who you share that blog with. Our home base, of course, is media companies. From our CEO on down, many of us have worked in the media business and we all love the publishing world. So, with a flagship product called "Movable Type," that's always going to be a business we focus on.
Six Apart recently created a "services" division, as well as Six Apart Media -- tell me a little bit about these, and what market niche you're hoping to fill with them. What are some of the services? The Media team is the counterpart to our services effort, assisting in helping build the business efforts of our publishers, with everything from an advertising platform to services around increasing traffic, improving SEO, and building an audience. The combination of these efforts is basically an evolution of our company to reflect the fact that blogging is about a lot more than just the core technology, and we want to provide every resource we can to publishers who want to succeed in blogging.
Looking ahead with Six Apart, what kinds of new technologies do you think can be added to blogs? How are Web 2.0 concepts being applied to blogs?
What technology over the past few years have you been most excited about?
In an ideal for blogs, what would you hope will be their effect on society and communications generally? At some point in the future, do you think everyone have a blog of their own? I do think everyone who has the resources to be online will, in the future, have a blog. That's much more likely as we'll be able to record our actions online, or the content we create in the course of living our lives, and that collected content (which is much easier to make than actually taking the time to sit down and write an essay) will form the bulk of what we share with the world.
What are some of the blogs you read as part of your daily routine -- who do you tune in to every day? David S. Hirschman is a freelance writer and editor of mediabistro.com's Daily Newsfeed. [This interview has been edited for length and clarity.]
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