10 Years: Hey, How'd Your Agency Change The Ad Industry, Scott Goodson?
StrawberryFrog's founder on choosing Amsterdam as a base and how he's helped altere the industry landscape
October 2, 2007
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Betting on the globalization of the advertising business is how Scott Goodson built his career. He didn't set out to start another conglomerate or sprawling one-stop-shop with offices in third-tier cities, but rather the opposite. Back in 1999, after nearly a decade co-owning an agency in Sweden and working for JWT in his native Canada, he moved back to Europe to open StrawberryFrog, a boutique unencumbered by bureaucracy and eager to serve clients regardless of their geography. A few years later, Goodson packed a backpack and landed in New York to open a second office from scratch. His splinter group would go on to land clients as diverse as Asics, MTV, Heineken, and Sam's Club, and also lead the onslaught of accented boutiques like Mother and Taxi. He sees the agency of the future as an ultra-lean team solely concerned with generating the best ideas for clients; the actual execution will be outsourced.
A little more than a decade ago, you were still in Sweden, where you were the co-owner of your own agency by the time you were 25. How did a Canadian born in Montreal end up in Sweden, not to mention end up in advertising in the first place? I grew up in a family that was working in the business, and I started working in advertising for my dad's publishing and printing company. After graduation, I wanted to find a way to work that was unconventional. And I met my Swedish wife, who lived with me in Canada for a while, but then we ended up in Stockholm. We moved there for what was supposed to be a year, but it ended up being 10 years. You get caught up in a life decision that you have nothing to do with, and it changes your life forever. The decision to move to Stockholm was one of those decisions that many of my friends and parents said, "What are you crazy?" but I went there just as Sweden was going through a media renaissance. Sweden had been a country in which advertising was basically prohibited. There was no television advertising, no radio, and there was basically print and outdoor. So I learned a very different way of thinking abut strategy, because the Swedes were very strategic, and very logical in the use of imagery, particularly in using still imagery to tell the whole brand idea in one photograph. That was very much a Swedish art form. Then, all the laws were repealed and there was just this explosion of creativity. There was no history of how advertising was suppose to be done, unlike in North America, where you have clients that have 60 years of how their advertising is supposed to be done. So we had clients whose idea of a TV spot was a Fellini movie. It was really easy to create good advertising, and also innovative marketing, because so many of the clients were in IT, like cell phone makers. They obviously wanted to break boundaries, change behaviors, and find new ways of connecting customers. There was a global market opening up for Swedish multinationals. I did that for 10 years, and I learned a few things. First of all, a very small, very focused, and very talented group of people could guide and guard a global brand. You don't have to be huge corporation.
Canadian journalists have attributed at least some of your success to your upbringing in Montreal. As a Canadian, they argued, you were raised to see the broader world and not just in terms of your native country, as Americans are prone to do. Were you unafraid to live and work abroad because of that, and did that lead you to start StrawberryFrog in Amsterdam? And, there are a lot of Americans in Amsterdam and a lot of Americans in Sweden. It's becoming increasingly popular amongst young people to live in a world without borders. I do think that growing up in a social democratic country like Canada, you tend to compare yourself to other people, because you always want to feel that you're growing up in a society that is better than other nations. You have a natural openness and curiosity about what happens outside of your own country. A lot of my friends went to work in New York or Toronto after school, and it just felt natural to go a totally different way. I think to some extent that's why we've managed, through the company, to establish ourselves. I think that you need to be a little bit on the outside lane to see opportunities and possibilities to network with people that are just a little bit off-center, because otherwise you just trample the same beaten path that everyone else does.
You founded StrawberryFrog in 1999 near the peak of the Internet bubble and on the cusp of the Euro integration. What was it like to start a pan-European and would-be-global agency at that moment in time? While we chose Amsterdam for a number of reasons, it wasn't because of the fact we were Dutch. It was the center of Europe, it was because Weiden & Kennedy had an office there and we could easily attract talent if we wanted to bring people into the agency and, from a cost perspective, it was much cheaper than London, Paris, or Berlin.
How has the advertising business changed since StrawberryFrog launched? A number of firms, like Mother, reached many of the same conclusions you did and have had similar success. And if you were able to serve clients globally from Amsterdam, why open a New York office? At that point, we started to meet clients in the United States who were taking an interest in what StrawberryFrog was doing in Europe. After many discussions, people would fly in from the United States to talk about campaigns, and we would do work for people in the United States, but out of Amsterdam. After a while, I thought it was time to try something totally new, so I left the Amsterdam office and moved to New York with a backpack and the same idea. We won our first piece of business from Pfizer, whom we worked with for two years, and from there we started to win accounts. We'll be three years old in February.
In March, you delivered a keynote address at the Global Future Marketing Summit in which you basically called for an end to the agency model as we know it. In the future, there would be boutique ideas shops earning big money for supplying ideas to the clients, while everyone else would essentially work for Kinko's. Is that where the industry is headed over the next decade? Small organizations like StrawberryFrog are trying to find ways of generating income in that respect. No one has really solved that yet, but I think clients are starting to look and be open-minded to trying new things. I think that the reality of business is that if someone is doing something successful, everyone stops and says, "Wow, if they can do that we can do that too." Everyone starts to run a bit faster, people are inspired, and there are new brands and small companies that join the race and ideas get better and clients have more choices and there are more alternatives. In that respect, I think it's better all-around for the industry, because you have more competition that's not just relying on the established institutions that have been around forever.
Lessons From Scott Goodson's Ad Career Arc Like any good ad man, Goodson's advice is pared down to the bare essentials: "Have fun; keep a sharp sense of humor; (for the most part) we're not saving lives here, and never buy your own hype." But there are a few additional lessons to be learned from his experiences as an entrepreneur abroad, including: 1) Don't just talk about globalization; embrace it. The opening of new markets overseas is creating opportunities for creative individuals of every stripe that never existed before. The pivotal moment of Goodson's career may have been being in Sweden at just the right moment, while StrawberryFrog was founded on the idea that a tiny agency could, in fact, go anywhere it needed to for clients. 2) Follow the talent. Goodson chose Amsterdam as the base for StrawberryFrog because it was already a magnet for European creative talent (poaching from rival agency Weiden & Kennedy was apparently part of the game plan). Set up your own tent in one of these camps -- there's a world out there beyond New York. 3) Find an organizational structural and management style that suits your temperament and stay put within it. Between leaving Sweden and launching StrawberryFrog, Goodson spent two years as creative director of J. Walter Thompson in Canada. That unhappy experience helped shape his ideas of how his next agency would essentially be the opposite.
Greg Lindsay is a frequent contributor to mediabistro.com and other publications. He's working on his first book. [This interview has been edited for length and clarity.]
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