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Monday, Feb 06
Arianna Huffington: Politics, Punditry and the HuffPo FamilyThis is the fifth and final interview in our impromptu "Fishbowl Final" series.
The Huffington Post did all that and more, collecting a truly mindblowing list of contributors along the way like a rolling stone gathering very smart moss, and now boasts a revolving roster of talent from Tina Brown and Harry Evans, Nora Ephron, Walter Cronkite, Larry and Laurie David, Rob Reiner, John Cusack, Lizz Winstead, Cindy Sheehan, Deepak Chopra (for your chakra), Jonathan Alter, Eric Alterman, Eve Ensler, wait-weren't-you-supposed-to-be-Canadian-by-now Alec Baldwin, Rep. Russ Feingold, and FishbowlDC's own Patrick Gavin. That is SO not an exhaustive list. At the head of it all is Arianna, leading the charge by being prolific and proactive, posting on all manner of hot-button issues while goading her charges on to further heights of bloggery (if you don't believe me go check out her list of blog posts that's as long as your arm, if you had a really long arm). Together with partner Kenneth Lerer, so far she's managed to needle Tim Russert incessantly, challenge the NYT over Judy Miller (also incessantly), and champion creativity on the internet with HuffPo's "Contagious Festival," inspired by the socially-conscious successes of HuffPal Jonah Peretti. Also, she actually didn't fire Gutfeld. That alone bespeaks guts. We had the opportunity to have a proper sit-down with Arianna in November at her party in LA, and she kindly answered a few follow-up questions more recently in between bouts of multi-tasking ("I'll try to get to as many of all these excellent questions as possible as soon as I'm back from carpool and do a refresh of my blog"). Politicians, pundits, boom-box hoisting movie stars -- all that and more await in the paragraphs below. Ta leme sto Blog! How do you feel after six months of doing this? What's the difference between where you are now and where you started? It's very different. The relentlessness of it has become sort of part of my life - at the beginning it seemed like I couldn't catch my breath - it seemed so...constant. and now it feels almost normal. It's an amazing thing. It is your breath now. Yes. It is my breath. It's sort of at the beginning...I could never disconnect from it. It's really become part of my life. Waking up in the morning and seeing [an important story], and then seeing how we're going to cover it, going through what the bloggers are saying about it...it's like knowing that's exactly where I want to be. And I really love it -- there's such great work being done today by other bloggers, and then deciding to put them all on the news site, so we can keep updating what all the other bloggers are saying...it's such a new model from the model I came from, from column writing and book writing -- where if you're writing about something and somebody else is writing about that thing, they you are competing. In the blogosphere it's all about linking. There's a little bit of competing, sometimes it's about scoops. (You've had a few doozies.) Yes, scoops, absolutely. But the fact is you're all covering the same stories sometimes. Two words: Judy Miller. Exactly. It's a plus, it's not a minus, because everyone's developing the story and building on the story. Especially with Judith Miller - different sites had different pieces of the puzzle, and it was such an enormous puzzle and the pieces were so deliberately hidden that it just took so much to put it all together. Exactly. And it really wouldn't have happened if it weren't for bloggers staying on it. Is there anything you look back on from the beginning and kind of cringe, and think "I never would do that now," like a post that you wrote, or is everything part of the learning process? I definitely consider everything part of the learning process. The lesson at the beginning was that I had to unlearn habits -- I had to unlearn being primarily a columnist.
I think it is "react/reflect/post" but the "reflect" mode is shorter, and part of it is because it's not going to be your final piece on the story. As a columnist, your editors don't like you to return to the same topic that often. One of my topics as a columnist has been the war on drugs, and how unjust it is and how it's become a war on blacks and other minorities...and constantly my editors at different papers say, "you wrote about that last month." That for me was a big shift. [Ed. We turn to journalistic standards in blogging.] I would never blog anything without checking. It's in my writer's DNA, especially because often I take such controversial stance, whether in my books, for example with my book Picasso: Creator and Destroyer -- acknowledging his genius but taking him on as a human being -- you can imagine how the art world reacted to it. So I took an extra six months to fact-check everything -- so they could question my interpretation, but they couldn't question my facts. I feel the more you challenge the status quo, the greater your responsibility to get your facts absolutely right. It just takes one inaccuracy, and then it will be used to discredit you. This is something I've noticed: the Huffington Post is kind of about family! You've got Larry and Laurie David, the Schlesingers, Gary Hart and his son John...
So, are your daughters going to blog? I would love it...but I think they're more likely to blog on somebody else's site! (laughs) But we also have young bloggers -- since you noticed the family thing, we have Rob Reiner and Jake Reiner -- he's been blogging on the Dodgers -- actually, he's done some really fun blogs about how to improve the Dodgers as a team. And our youngest blogger: Madeline Lear, who'se just ten, and both her parents blog, Norman & Lyn Lear; and our first young blogger was Carson Meyer (11), the daughter of Ron and Kelly Meyer . I took her to the MTV awards, and she liveblogged it on the blackberry (Ed. "Jessica Simpson has enormous blonde hair, very curly, obviously extensions.") I love to encourage a lot of young people to blog.
I feel like you definitely take more risks. It's so funny how you responded to my Macbeth blog, because you know I was hiking with friends, and describing to them how Cheney's becoming like Lady Macbeth now. And then I came back and I wrote that blog post about Macbeth and I thought -- I started to question myself, and I thought "wow -- isn't this a little farfetched?" (laughs) That's what I really love about this -- there's commenting on the stuff that's happening but what I think the real excitement is in finding the links, to the stories that keep happening over and over. Yes, always sort of a risk in that, because you take it to the next level, and you make links which might not entirely work. Blogging -- like any good writing -- is about taking risks. Sometimes pulling back is good and sometimes it's not. You know, I love being edited...I really, really trust my business partner Kenny Lerer, he's a wonderful sounding board. What about the voices of other people? Was that one of the things that motivated you, knowing some of these people, hearing the things they'd say, and thinking "I want people to know this!" Oh, absolutely. Part of it was capturing voices, great voices of our time, that would never get their own blog, like Arthur Schlesinger or Norman Mailer or Larry David are not going to create their own blog -- or Nora Ephron, who has been a great, great blogger. But if you provide them a platform and make it really easy for them -- and although at the beginning some bloggers thought it wasn't pure, that if you don't do it in Movable Type it's not blogging--I don't care, I'll capture it any way they'll give it to me. Like, Larry David has called me from his trailer when he was taping "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and dictated his "Why I'm Supporting John Bolton" blog. Ari Emanuel has called me from the Golf course (Ed. Ari Emanuel is either confused, frustrated or hating on "Desperate Housewives"). As I told you, Arthur Schlesinger faxes to me, others email me and we post it for them. I would say about 95% of our bloggers just post themselves. [At this point Mickey Kaus wanders by to offer some color. Who surprised him on the blog? "My brother [Stephen]..." (HuffPo is all about family!). "Gutfeld surprised me" (and probably Arianna when he first posted this) and, charitably: "I was surprised that Lawrence O'Donnell was right about something." I think the amazing this just that there's now this thing on the American Media that's like this player that wasn't there before. It's this place where anyone with an idea can go and get it heard." Thanks, Mickey! You're so fine!] (Feb. 2/05) You are prolific -- you blog from Tahiti, Aspen, New York (I'm sure I missed a spot). When you're struck by inspiration do you leap to the laptop no matter what you're doing? Are you constantly berry-blogging? Are there days when the relentless march of the 24 hour news cycle is overwhelming and the last thing you want to do is look at a computer? Has blogging fatigue ever set in, or are you completely galvanized every day?
We launched Russert Watch on May 22, 2005. I picked Tim Russert to focus on because his is the most powerful political show on TV and we wanted to make it clear that the Huffington Post is not just about taking on the low hanging fruit like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh but (to mix our metaphors) taking on the sacred cows of Beltway conventional wisdom. I was not surprised that they attacked me. But I was surprised they turned the NBC publicity department into a vehicle for dispensing completely unsubstantiated rumors. Russert is the senior vice president and Washington bureau chief of NBC News, for heaven's sake. Maureen Orth's piece about me was in 1994, which feels like another lifetime for me. And it's clear from the dozens of other bloggers who are taking part in the critique of Russert without having had hit pieces written about them by his wife that these are very legitimate criticisms that speak to the lack of accountability in the mainstream media -- criticisms that should have been made a long time ago. The part of the speech that most outraged me was his blatant lie about a "strategy for victory" in Iraq. I longed for an Oprah moment from the media, demanding that he come clean about his fabrications (didn't get one). I also longed for a powerful response from the Democrats (didn't get that either, until the next day when Jack Murtha offered a passionate and detailed response in a letter to the President (on HuffPo) and in a powerful interview with Wolf Blitzer). You got Murtha! How? Was it as easy as asking? How do you feel when you look at the Huffington Post and see the diverse people arrayed on it - proud, excited, maybe even a little misty? It's like watching your kids grow up. You start with certain plans and expectations for them, but then the site, like children, has in all sorts of unexpected ways, developed its own personality and style beyond those plans and expectations.
Of course, Cusack would love you!
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